KAY Report to Congress on C-SPAN - LIVE THREAD

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[Carolinamom]

Thanks.....I'm on C-SPan 1 now.

[Coop]

Well, it is a quote.

That it is. And it's a quote qualified by a myriad of other quotes, which better puts the overall picture in context.

[Howlin]

Jack Reed......ugh!

[Peach]

He has said WAAAAY more than we were wrong.

He has also said we may still find them. You ignore that little tidbit quite conveniently.

He also said they were in violation of the UN. Since we all pay into the UN (as taxpayers), we have an interest to seeing that their resolutions have teeth. If they do not, then they are indeed the useless debating society that the president felt they were in danger of becoming.

[Huck]

If your thinking is so simplistic, well, we cannot help you.

Well, that's your call, I guess. If you want to try to give me a more nuanced interpretation of "we were all wrong", go for it.

[God luvs America]

what is the "Brookings Institute"?

[Howlin]

Kay brings up the Kurds and the fact that Iraq had cheated and lied for a decade!

[cyncooper]

CNN analyst thinks Kay is giving Bush too much credit and the intelligence community too much blame.

I went back to CNN and saw that.

Now he says Bush was right to perceive a threat, but we could have taken more time.

Back to CSPAN

Reed up

There was not an imminent threat to the US, he says.

Kay: Sen. Reed, I think it is often easy to forget that Saddam used weapons against his neighbors and cheated and lied for decades. I understand the decision.

[Mo1]

Anyone asking Kay about his statements on Iraqi advances in anthrax weaponization???

Did Kay say the iraqi military was confused as to who had the weapons .. but that it was not determined who exactly had them?

[Carolinamom]

Liberal think tank

[Peach]

And humanitarian organizations were quoted in an in-depth article in the Washington Post that the oil for food program run by the UN was killing over 5,000 Iraqis/month!

That is more than have been killed in the war.

[Eva]

Don't waste my time.

[Skywarner]

"Before the war, the Washington Post wrote an article that approx. 5,000 Iraqis were dying from malnutrition and lack of medical care due to the oil for food program. I wish Kay had mentioned that article and that humanitarian organizations said the #'s may actually be far higher. That would put to BED Hitlery's statement that the inspection process was killing fewer people than the war."

It wouldn't matter. The Dems have decided that unseating President Bush is worth more to them than national security or accepting reality. The fact of the matter is that the corrupt Oil for Food program sponsored by the UN did not work. And, it indirectly caused the deaths of thousands of Iraqi's. During the Clinton administration, most of the Dems were calling for military action/overthrow of Hussein. However, other Dems and Europeans were calling for the ending of sanctions against Iraq. No matter what President Bush did w/r/t Iraq, it wouldn't have mattered to the majority of those on the left.

[cajungirl]

Everyone on this thread has given you chapter and verse the more nuanced version of Kay's testimony. Cspan just had it on live. You have been treated to FR's best minds on the subject. You chose to pick out one isolated fact and repeat it over and over like some kind of Autistic child making a point,,that is your problem dear. I refuse to play your game.

[Quilla]

Remember Sec. Powell's testimony before the UN? This is pretty damning audio"

"First, they acknowledge that our colleague, Mohammed ElBaradei is coming, and they know what he's coming for and they know he's coming the next day. He's coming to look for things that are prohibited. He is expecting these gentlemen to cooperate with him and not hide things.

But they're worried. We have this modified vehicle. What do we say if one of them sees it? What is their concern? Their concern is that it's something they should not have, something that should not be seen.

The general was incredulous: "You didn't get it modified. You don't have one of those, do you?"



"I have one."

"Which? From where?"

"From the workshop. From the Al-Kindi Company."

"What?"

"From Al-Kindi."

"I'll come to see you in the morning. I'm worried you all have something left."



"We evacuated everything. We don't have anything left."

Note what he says: "We evacuated everything." We didn't destroy it. We didn't line it up for inspection. We didn't turn it into the inspectors. We evacuated it to make sure it was not around when the inspectors showed up. "I will come to you tomorrow."



Let me play another tape for you. As you will recall, the inspectors found 12 empty chemical warheads on January 16th. On January 20th, four days later, Iraq promised the inspectors it would search for more. You will now hear an officer from Republican Guard headquarters issuing an instruction to an officer in the field. Their conversation took place just last week, on January 30.

[The tape was played.] AUDIO

SECRETARY POWELL: Let me pause again and review the elements of this message.



"They are inspecting the ammunition you have, yes?"

"Yes. For the possibility there are forbidden ammo."

"For the possibility there is, by chance, forbidden ammo?"



"Yes.

"And we sent you a message yesterday to clean out all the areas, the scrap areas, the abandoned areas. Make sure there is nothing there. Remember the first message: evacuate it."

This is all part of a system of hiding things and moving things out of the way and making sure they have left nothing behind.



You go a little further into this message and you see the specific instructions from headquarters: "After you have carried out what is contained in this message, destroy the message because I don't want anyone to see this message."

"Okay."

"Okay.""

[Howlin]

The Dems have decided that unseating President Bush is worth more to them than national security or accepting reality.

Exactly.

[MoodyBlu]

Loftus has been saying this consistently since last March: the stuff went to Syria, and the truth will come out.

Loftus also swore up and down from his sources that Saddam was killed on the initial "decapitation" strike. Loftus is fun to listen to but IMHO a bit of a blowhard.

MoodyBlu

[cyncooper]

Reed asks about the president getting bad intelligence, and Kay says we need to better understand why we thought there were large stockpiles when they didn't.

Kay goes on to point out multiple violations of 1441 that were verified to be ongoing.

Kay affirms President was the abused party by getting faulty intelligence.

Kay uses an Enron example. If he were a financial advisor and told Reed Enron was the best company and he acted on that advice then lost money, Reed would think Kay abused him.

[Peach]

I believe he misspoke when he said that because if we find WMD then WE WON'T BE WRONG, will we?

[Mo1]

Kay is giving an opinion .. and the Dems are treating it like it's a fact