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National Review Online ^ | January 26, 2004 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 01/26/2004 9:43:26 AM PST by Map Kernow

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Are there any "grassroots conservatives" out there who still think the Bush Administration is serious about immigration law enforcement? About border security?
1 posted on 01/26/2004 9:43:27 AM PST by Map Kernow
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2 posted on 01/26/2004 9:50:26 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Map Kernow
LOL... No.

You're kidding right?

3 posted on 01/26/2004 9:52:11 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: Map Kernow
Are you trying to suggest that when the 12 million criminals already here invite their five friends a piece, those sixty million illiterate third worlders dropped on our heads in a year's time won't be a net positive?

At an estimated cost of fifty K a year per head, that's just a trifling 3,000,000,000,000 in social spending.

You must be a racist hater.
4 posted on 01/26/2004 9:52:59 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: StoneColdGOP
You're kidding right?

Merely a rhetorical question.

Just as we're always rhetorically exhorted to vote to re-elect Bush any way, because the alternative is "just so much worse."

But this article proves that, as far as immigration law enforcement is concerned, the alternatives are Tweedledum and Tweedledee. If the callous disregard of both national parties of the impact of out-of-control illegal immigration on the average citizen is important enough to you, you won't vote for either one.

5 posted on 01/26/2004 9:57:48 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Map Kernow
Be prepared to be called a "fringe" conservative.

And in answer to your question, no.
6 posted on 01/26/2004 9:58:26 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Map Kernow
Actually, the reference to Austin has to do with the custard head "intellectuals" infesting the once great University of Texas campus. Like so many of these bureaucrats, she obviously needs the validation of academia. Anyone with an ounce of common sense (which leaves out academics, bureaucrats and liberals) understands the dangers inherent in fundamental change occurring in our society due to unrestrained immigration by groups unwilling to assimilate.

I still contend the only viable solution is "The Great Wall of Texas" built by wetback labor and patrolled after completion by armed rednecks.


7 posted on 01/26/2004 9:59:24 AM PST by Zippo44 (A liberal is someone too poor to be a capitalist, and too rich to be a communist.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
You must be a racist hater.

Seriously, though, a lot of the advocacy groups that promote this amnesty plan are "racist haters." "La Raza," for example. Any of you linguistically challenged (except for your copy of "Chambermaid Spanish") Bush hacks know what "raza" means in Spanish? "Razzmatazz," maybe?

8 posted on 01/26/2004 10:01:20 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Zippo44
Great tagline!
9 posted on 01/26/2004 10:06:34 AM PST by A Navy Vet (Can I get a no down guarantee on a 32 ft SeaRay, please?)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Be prepared to be called a "fringe" conservative.

OK, because then so are Bill O'Reilly, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, John Leo, John Derbyshire, John O'Sullivan, Lou Dobbs, and many others. I'll take their company any day of the week, any month of the year, over the pathetic troop of Bush hacks and "GOP ueber alles" types here.

10 posted on 01/26/2004 10:06:50 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Map Kernow
That makes two of us.
11 posted on 01/26/2004 10:13:51 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Map Kernow
Rep. Jim Kolbe (R., Ariz.), whose own illegal-alien amnesty bill (H.R. 2899) was the starting point for the White House proposal, got a taste of this frustration last week at a town meeting in Sierra Vista, where he was greeted by a jeering crowd and "a mock-up of a U.S. Border Patrol agent with a knife through his back, with the words 'Kolbe Amnesty' on the blade." (See a photo of the Border Patrol "agent" here.)

Woohoo!! I'm bad...I'm nationwide...

That was the protest I organized and the BP Agent effigy w/knife that I made. It rides in my car now and is my new "Border Patrol Buddytm". It freaks the illegal out. It showed up at the Tom Tancredo dinner two nights later and was filmed by Univision, Telemundo, and KBS (the largest broadcast network in Korea). It showed up at a community meeting hosted by CHD and was filmed by a documentary crew there.

12 posted on 01/26/2004 10:24:20 AM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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13 posted on 01/26/2004 10:25:27 AM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; Map Kernow; gubamyster; B4Ranch
<< Are you trying to suggest that when the 12 million [Or so] criminal aliens already here invite their five friends apiece, those sixty [Eighty or a hundred] million illiterate third worlders dropped on our heads in a year's time won't be a net positive?

At an estimated cost of fifty K a year per head, that's just a trifling 3,000,000,000,000 in social spending.

You must be a racist hater. >>

Me too.
14 posted on 01/26/2004 10:26:48 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Map Kernow
Are there any "grassroots conservatives" out there who still think the Bush Administration is serious about immigration law enforcement? About border security?

I don't know exactly what a "grassroots conservative" is. But one thing is sure, any serious effort to enforce the current immigration laws would never work. It would result in serious damage to the economy, and would be justly condemed as a racist human rights tragedy as millions of people are uprooted from their homes and sent across the border with no prospect of work or a place to live.

Can anyone say "huge concentration camp" south of the border? We're talking the population of greater Los Angeles (which by the way, would be economicly destroyed, and 30% of it's housing unoccupied)

The only way to "get serious" about enforcing immigration law is to first change it to allow the people already here to operate within the system. Anything else is doomed to failure and is just a joke.

I have no idea if Bush would enforce any new immigration law, but for sure, the law we have now never will be. By anyone.

15 posted on 01/26/2004 10:26:55 AM PST by narby (The Greens, like the Nazis before them, are inordinate, i.e., there is no limit to their demands.)
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So in your opinion anything short of throwing out the current laws and giving illegals some sort of legal status is futile so we should just surrender?

Great plan.
16 posted on 01/26/2004 10:32:25 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Map Kernow
Except that someone needs to clue at least Laura Ingram in to the fact that much of the reason we are building a Stasi wet dream domestic surveillance system to spy on ALL of us, is that we don't have the will to stop and screen people at our borders.
17 posted on 01/26/2004 10:35:35 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Bikers4Bush; narby
Narby has a point, but only IF the new laws will be enforced. If they won't be, they will be worse. Might as well drive the situation to crisis sooner.
18 posted on 01/26/2004 10:37:54 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: eno_; narby
Were they enforced following the Reagan amnesty?

Answer, no. And you can bet the house they would not be enforced going forward.

Racist human rights tragedy? Horse crap, they came here breaking the law and have lived on borrowed time. The beds they have made are their own. Let mexico fix it's own economy instead of sponging off ours.


19 posted on 01/26/2004 10:41:58 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: narby
I have no idea if Bush would enforce any new immigration law,

It doesn't sound like you care.

Take your rhetoric about "racism" and stick it in a cheese tamale. The immigration law was written, passed and put on the books by democratically elected representatives of the United States to be enforced, not to be ignored, slighted or caricatured by ignorant hacks as "racist." That's a vile, disgusting calumny against the American people.

A government that won't enforce its own laws, that goes against the will of an overwhelming majority of its own citizens, that refuses to ensure the integrity of the national territory in order to preserve a corrupt bargain with a moneyed few, that attempts to suppress protests of its betrayal with the vile rhetoric of political correctness, is headed for big time trouble. There is nothing more American than the principle that governments instituted among men derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and that when a government becomes destructive of the rights and consent of its citizenry, it is the right and duty of the people to alter or abolish it. There'll be a lot more trouble from failure to enforce the immigration law than from enforcement. Croyez moi.

20 posted on 01/26/2004 10:46:38 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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