CA: Taking diesel out of farm air - ...replace diesel engines with electric models..

The Sacramento Bee ^ | January 25, 2004 | Jennifer M. Fitzenberger --

[heleny]

8,200 ag pump produce over 14,000 tons of emissions per year? Diesel must be heavier when it is burned I guess.

You're right. The same goes for gasoline, natural gas, ethanol, etc., because of the way the environmentalists count Carbon dioxide but not Oxygen weight.

For example, let's burn methane in the presence of oxygen. 16 grams of methane magically become 44 grams of carbon dioxide emissions.
CH₄ + 2O₂ --> CO₂ + 2H₂O + heat
(16) + (64) --> (44) + (36) grams/mole

[U S Army EOD]

Why not hook the power grid up to health spas and then you could charge people to make electricity for you.

[76834]

You will never get to live in card board boxes at that time because you can't cut the trees down to make the card board.

Understand, and thats whats really scary.
I have often thought that their ultimate goal is the total extinction of the human race.

[U S Army EOD]

Bingo, I think you figured out what they are after.

[JustAmy]

The drag strip was there until about 20 years ago. Someone bought it and built a house. I think the drag strip is being used as a landing strip for crop dusters.

[Skibane]

Danny Johnson, customer service manager for Southern California Edison, likened supply charges to leasing a car: "Just because you have the car doesn't mean you only pay to drive it on the days you drive it."

Right, but I only have to buy gasoline for it when I actually drive it...

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The leftists have screwed up things in this state so bad, nothing is logical any more!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Clever chemistry!

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[snopercod]

See the problem is, the utility has to build and size the transmission and distribution system as if all those pumps were running all the time.

They must be paid for all that time and equipment somehow.

If the farmers don't pay for it, then the costs will be shifted to "other users", which in California, means businesses, not residences.

Cows don't vote.

[blackdog]

Do you realize the size and current draw on a 440Volt three phase electric motor rated at 150 HP? I don't think they even make them! I wrote a PLC program for pump loading on a three pump system which moved 2000 gallons a minute. Based on demand and pressure, I would stack the pumps with inputs based on transducers and flow meters.

The largest motor I ever used was a 30hp and then two 25's which would kick in or out based on about twenty five variables.

Municipal sewage pumping relay stations use diesel engines over electric motors or at best use electric motors which fall back on diesel when electric cannot keep up or electricity goes out. Those engines are about 25hp each and the next one kicks in series up to three.

Nobody would drive a system like that of irrigation pumps on just one electric moter. They would have banks of smaller ones which compliment each other based on demand, bad bearings or impellers, maintenance needs, and efficiency. Ten fifteen horsepower motors sure would be a lot smarter than one 150hp motor.

[Robert357]

There is still no shortage of liberal clowns in your legislature.

Actually, in many state legislatures and in many federal elected positions as well. "Liberal clown syndrome" or LCS, knows no state boundaries.

This is pretty extreme though. I would think that they would be more concerned about dust particulate than diesel particulate in farming, but hey what do I know.