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The Chemical Basis of AIDS
Doc Savage
Posted on 01/24/2004 7:35:26 PM PST by Doc Savage
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To: Tribune7
I have agreed with Deusberg since the 1980's when he first spoke out.
But it is a visceral subject.
In 100 years when it is less political and emotional it will be an interesting episode of how scientific rigor broke down.
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posted on
01/24/2004 9:52:43 PM PST
by
tallhappy
(Juntos Podemos!)
To: annyokie
To: Doc Savage
This was the opinion of the Homintern for some years back in the 1980s. The idea that AIDS wasn't an STD allowed them to avoid facing problems with bath houses and multiple partners. These ideas were debated all over the Usenet news groups during the 1980s.
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posted on
01/24/2004 9:55:28 PM PST
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: annyokie
To: annyokie; Tribune7
Robert Koch is long dead. He was one of the pioneers in germ theory a long time ago. He was a German Doctor and his postulates are from 1890. They formed the basis for the miraculous advances there have been in treating disease over the last century.
Your cynicism in quite unfounded.
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posted on
01/24/2004 9:57:30 PM PST
by
tallhappy
(Juntos Podemos!)
To: aruanan
One can't read all of these. I only read the abstracts of 35 or so (depending on how you count JSTOR) of this list.
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posted on
01/24/2004 9:59:18 PM PST
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: MAK1179
ping
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posted on
01/24/2004 10:03:52 PM PST
by
Lloyd227
To: spetznaz
Don't forget the decimated hemophiliac population in America. During the 80's they were hit hard.
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posted on
01/24/2004 10:05:07 PM PST
by
Melas
To: spetznaz
Don't forget the decimated hemophiliac population in America. During the 80's they were hit hard.
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posted on
01/24/2004 10:05:09 PM PST
by
Melas
To: I got the rope
Koch's 3rd Postulate: The microorganism must reproduce the original disease when introduced into an experimental animal. "While evidence from one chimpanzee may not seem compelling to the lay person, in the scientific arena and in conjunction with other, cumulative data, it is considered persuasive"
Your one chimpanzee "proof" of Koch's 3rd postulate just isn't good enough for me. It is junk science and nothing else. The HIV=AIDS hypothesis does NOT satisfy Koch's 3rd postulate. Period. It doesn't even satisfy his 1st. HIV is not found in all AIDS patients. All means all. Not 90%, Not 99% but 100%.
To: I got the rope
It's sad though. The epidemiology is consistent with viral transmission but not with malnutrition nor inhaler use. Those assuming a non-viral causation of AIDS (such as Mbeki) run the risk of helping spread AIDS.
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posted on
01/24/2004 10:06:24 PM PST
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: tallhappy
There is a difference between skepticism and cynicism. I remain skeptical. How is my reading of a 13 year old scientific document refuted by an hundred year old document? I was just chastized up the thread for not be au courant in the literature. Now, I am asked, nay, tasked to take as gospel the opinion of some fellow who is Sigmund Freud's contemporary? The cognative dissonance here is deafening at times.
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posted on
01/24/2004 10:06:34 PM PST
by
annyokie
(Wesley Clark: Howard Dean with medals!)
To: InterceptPoint
HIV is not found in all AIDS patients. All means all. Not 90%, Not 99% but 100%. Link please. New PCR techniques disproves this.
To: Doctor Stochastic
Yes. It's a childish debate technique. We will never find the "bright-line" to end the discussion if they continually redefine the known limits that we have. Apologists for homosexuals are also trying to redefine science to justify their behavior.
To: I got the rope
I find it interesting that "Conservatives" seem to be taking over the old Homintern arguments: HIV doesn't cause AIDS; There is a "gay" style of music (or literature, etc.) and some others.
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posted on
01/24/2004 10:20:58 PM PST
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: InterceptPoint
To: Doctor Stochastic; little jeremiah
It's strange that I haven't run into these "conservatives" sooner. Ping L.J.!
To: I got the rope
The incidence of AIDS among the victims of needle-stick accidents would also indicate an infectious agent rather than environmental exposure.
Of course, malnutrition is cured rather quickly by eating; AIDS isn't.
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posted on
01/24/2004 10:48:19 PM PST
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: Doc Savage
So, I suppose that is it just mere
coincidence that people who don't test positive for anti-HIV Abs nor HIV viral isolation don't get AIDS. It also must be
more coincidence that people who test positive for anti-HIV Abs and have a positive viral isolation DO eventually lose enough T-cells to allow for AIDS defining conditions such as KS and
P. carnii peumonia. Furthering to the
coincidences the people who test positive can trace they infection back to people who
also test positive, and these transmissions can be positively shown to be associated with the tranference of bodily fluids, especially blood. Even more
coincidental is that fact that HIV's more specific bodily tagret ligand happens to be the CD4 T-cell receptor, and that it is this particular population of T-cells that become depleted, and it is this particular population of T-cells, when lacking, that leads to the exact diseases directly associated with HIV/AIDS.
but you're right . . . NO WAY HIV CAUSES AIDS *sarcasm*
If you really believe this, then I've got some great oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you, real cheap!
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posted on
01/24/2004 11:13:40 PM PST
by
realpatriot71
(legalize freedom!)
To: InterceptPoint
They can't give it to you because it doesn't exist - and they know it. Unfortunately there are now too many careers and too much business at stake for them to give up the myth and so it persists. You're serious?! What do you want "proven"? HIV binds to the CD4 ligand, which happens to be a receptor on the exact cell population that becomes depleted leading to some of the strangest diseases medicine ever sees including Kaposi's Sarcoma and P. carnii peumonia. The life cycle of the virus is widely understood. People who test positive for anti-HIV Abs GET AIDS, what more do you want?
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posted on
01/24/2004 11:23:16 PM PST
by
realpatriot71
(legalize freedom!)
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