JFK (II): WAR HERO OR FAKE WARRIOR?

FakeWarriors.com ^ | January 22, 2004 | Henry Mark Holzer

[PhilDragoo]

Henry Mark Holzer is also author of Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda In North Vietnam, and has been a guest on the O'Reilly Factor.

He served in Korea in Army Intelligence in charge of Chinese order of battle following the Korean War, prior to his career in law.

The issue of Kerry's aid and comfort to the enemy is also the subject of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.

[PhilDragoo]

Chappaquiddick Ted with Hanoi John.

[sinkspur]

You know, this is the same kind of crap that came up about John McCain's service.

I didn't serve, so I can't criticize anybody.

But, IMO, questioning a man who stoood in my stead, especially when he was awarded honors by the Armed Services, ought to be off the table.

Let's go after Kerry's political record; there's plenty of fodder there.

[PhilDragoo]

He threw those honors over the White House fence and joined with fake warriors to smear our nation and promote the enemy's cause.

[LaurieB]

It somewhat bothers me when being a veteran and having medals is used toward securing political office. Seems to me the two just don't go hand-in-hand. I've read in many places that JFK wasn't quite the hero they make him out to be. I guess that would be one of the reasons I hate hearing the claims used when trying to secure a position in politics. It always seems like the heroism is blown out of proporation and when that happens it truly makes a mockery out of the veterans who really did do something major to earn their medals. Hmmmm, I looked at the picture of Kerry - has he always worn a complete wig?

[auboy]

Bump.

[PhilDragoo]

Good question.

[sinkspur]

He threw those honors over the White House fence and joined with fake warriors to smear our nation and promote the enemy's cause.

That was after his service in Vietnam, and it is legitimate to go after him on that.

But this goofball is questioning his medals. Who the hell cares about medals?

Kerry went to Vietnam, a dirty, stinking war that many of us lucked out of.

He can have all the medals he wants.

I'm more concerned about his waffling on the Iraqi war, and his duplicitous attempt to have it both ways six months ago.

Give him his due in Vietnam.

[SAMWolf]

Thanks Phil. I knew about Kerry's anti-war protests but didin't know he was a founder of the VVAW. It would be interesting to see the citation that went with those medals or did he "throw" those away in protest too?

[sinkspur]

I've read in many places that JFK wasn't quite the hero they make him out to be.

John Kennedy saved men from death, and screwed up his back for the rest of his life in doing so.

Let's get over this "every Democrat's a coward" stuff.

[Plutarch]

It appears that the photograph of Kerry sitting in the foreground of a NV flag is photoshopped. Please confirm.

[PhilDragoo]

Here is another book by the author of this article Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam

This is very much what Kerry did: organized a propaganda smear alleging atrocities which never occurred.

The allegations were made by imposters who never served in Vietnam.

How fitting that now Kerry criticizes a war he endorsed.

[LaurieB]

Look, you get over it. I happen to respect JFK which is why I continue to read about him. For your info - he also put his men at risk to begin with. He shouldn't have had to save anyone. Yes he saved them, but if he hadn't put them at risk to begin with his style of leadership - he wouldn't have gotten his back screwed up.

[PhilDragoo]

You can ask the U.S. VETERAN DISPATCH

[LaurieB]

And furthermore, it's not about politics with me. I never said anything about democrats. Do not put words into my mouth.

[PhilDragoo]

On April 23, 1971, Kerry led members of VVAW in a protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the U.S. Capitol.

Kerry later admitted he'd thrown somebody else's medals.

[sinkspur]

For your info - he also put his men at risk to begin with.

I'd have to have independent verification of that, Laurie, seeing as how you buy into every kookburger conspiracy that comes down the pike.

I've never been in combat. Have you?

S**t happens in wartime, and men make snap decisions that, in hindsight, they might want to take back.

We've got soldiers in Iraq, today, hitting civilians, mistakenly.

Get off your high horse about JFK, OK?

Unless, of course, you've been in combat. Have you ever been in combat, LaurieB?

[LaurieB]

He sure sounds like a liar to me.

[LaurieB]

You just can't be civil no matter what can you? And I don't buy every book about JFK that comes down the pike. You simply assume that. But what else is new?

[elmer fudd]

It strikes me that being a patriot is an ongoing process. You can do many heroic deeds in the service of your country and still be a traitor in the end. Benedict Arnold was a very brave soldier and a gifted general. If he had been killed before he betrayed us he would have gone down in history as a great hero.

It appears that John Kerry also was a brave soldier, but I can't help thinking that his actions after leaving the service were disgraceful and they make me doubt his commitment to America.