Posted on 01/20/2004 8:28:45 AM PST by SunStar
Q2. Who can claim the credit?
A2. To claim the EITC on your 2003 tax return, you must meet all of the following rules:
1. You must have a valid social security number that allows you to work
Considering that now illegals don't have the number (yet still get benefits), how does documenting and including them (even if not breaking even) in the tax system make things worse?
But I thought you said they were already getting the benefits?
Okay - let me make sure I get this right, they get benefits now and pay nothing for them. When they become citizens, they will get the benefits (probably more accurately described as hand outs) available to all citizens.
That leaves me with at least one question:
Who said anything about making them citizens? I've heard "temporary workers" but if I heard the SOTU address correctly the President doesn't support amnesty (or rewarding those who break our rules).
Is there something I am missing?
Actually, I am probably missing more than that, but I digress...
1: Amnesty. Bush may not be calling it that but that is what it is. Just go to any online dictonary and type in the word and the definition matches what he is doing. Calling it something else doesn't change the facts.
From the SOTU:
Tonight I also ask you to reform our immigration laws, so they reflect our values and benefit our economy. I propose a new temporary worker program to match willing foreign workers with willing employers, when no Americans can be found to fill the job. This reform will be good for our economy because employers will find needed workers in an honest and orderly system. A temporary worker program will help protect our homeland, allowing border patrol and law enforcement to focus on true threats to our national security.
I oppose amnesty, because it would encourage further illegal immigration, and unfairly reward those who break our laws. My temporary worker program will preserve the citizenship path for those who respect the law, while bringing millions of hardworking men and women out from the shadows of American life.
Other than currently available paths to citizenship I see no mention of making illegals citizens. Many foreigners pay taxes - mostly for doing business in the US, yet they are not granted citizen level benefits. What makes you think this plan will change that?
Calling "it something else" may not change the facts, but unless you have a copy of the details of the plan my guess is you don't have any hard facts yet either.
That is other than your emotional reaction, which while probably unproductive to the discourse does maintain at least some value since it is at least honest.
2: Everything I have seen/read about this blue-card program says they will pay into the IRS the same we we do. Well, if they are part of the same tax system then they will get all the benifits of that system also. And one of those benifits is EITC, Child Tax Credit, and other credits. Why should money be taken from US citizens to go to people who are not citizens?
The same as we do, or the same as any foreign national doing business in the U.S.? I'm afraid I don't have the leaked copy of the all important details, and don't trust that you do so I guess we are stuck.
You will continue to bash the basic concept of regulating foreign workers (that are already here by the way). In addition, you will probably have generated enough internal steam by the time the details start coming out that it won't matter anyway.
Myself on the otherhand, I am going to accept the President's exact words at their face value (usually a good bet) and make sure the details reflect those words once they become available.
If they don't, I guess you get say I told you so - but for some reason I'm not worried about that.
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