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Anthrax Mailings: Connecting the Dots [to al-Qaeda]
PHXnews.com ^ | 18 Jan. 2004 | Ross E. Getman

Posted on 01/19/2004 11:00:30 PM PST by flamefront

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To: EdLake
You're kidding, of course.

No OFFICIAL confirmation? I think not.

The whole world has already accepted that "the silcia was a key component" IS OFFICIAL confirmation that the Daschle anthrax contained an additive. A component IS an additive.

You continue to play games with words to further your PURELY political AGENDA.

You should look at All the FACTS, then things might become CLEAR to you. Instead you present OPINION as FACT. But if you would look at the FACTS you would draw INTELLIGENT conclusions
201 posted on 01/26/2004 7:46:08 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: EdLake
"But we still have the matter of no one else who examined the J-Lo letter coming down with anthrax."

Well how about that? Come to think about, there were over 100 people in the entire building - but only 2 of them came down with anthrax. So how come only Bob Stevens and Ernesto Blanco came down with anthrax? How come Stephanie Dailey didn't - she was exposed!

Your "argument" is TOTALLY self-defeating - you argue that Bob Stevens couldn't have got anthrax from the JLo letter because "nobody else got anthrax from the JLO letter". What an insane argument - are you denying that Bob Stevens even died of anthrax? It almost sounds like it.

You need to look at ALL the FACTS, instead of presenting OPINION as FACT.

Since you don't have a leg to stand on, you are simply following your well-practised theme of "if you don't have facts, just pile on the bullshit".
202 posted on 01/26/2004 7:51:50 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
I feel in a good mood today, so why not start another page?

It's not speculation - it's simply a guess - just as they vaccumed the third floor first and changed bags on the first floor is another guess and an equally valid one.

So you don't speculate, you guess? Interesting.

I weigh evidence. The evidence is that there is very little contamination in the area where the J-Lo letter was opened and examined, none of the people besides Bob Stevens who examined the J-Lo letter got anthrax, and the J-Lo letter could not have been mailed at the same time as all the recovered anthrax letters. That's evidence. Those are known facts. Two solid items of evidence and one item of good circumstantial evidence.

You accuse me of speculation, but you suggest that the cleaning crew could have emptied the vacuum cleaner bags on the first floor or third floor to cause the floor tests to look like the J-Lo letter didn't contain anthrax.

I think it should be very clear to everyone who is speculating here and who is examining the evidence.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

203 posted on 01/26/2004 7:52:30 AM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake
I had a look at your "profiles" for the "supplier" and "refiner/mailer".

Are you related to Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, perchance? Because you certainly have taken a leaf out of her book. Barbara Hatch Rosenberg made a spoof profile of Steve Hatfill - she gathered as much information as she could about him than made a list - pretending that she had cleverly deduced this all herself.

I can see that you have done EXACTLY the same thing for the poor Milwaukee drunk. You even "predict" that the supplier is a "drunk".

How clever of you to "deduce" that using your detective skills and insight.

The reality is that you wrote a "reverse profile" - an equallly despicable act as Barbara Hatch Rosenberg.

You should be ashamed of yourself. This guy in Milwaukee really needs to file a lawsuit against you.

You are busted!
204 posted on 01/26/2004 7:57:17 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
The whole world has already accepted that "the silcia was a key component" IS OFFICIAL confirmation that the Daschle anthrax contained an additive. A component IS an additive.

Interesting interpretation, but I notice that you are now talking about an "additive" instead of a "coating". Does the "whole world" also believe that the spores were coated? I can name people who do not believe it.

And as stated many times before, the silica could have come from a variety of sources.

Besides, the number of people who believe something has nothing to do with whether it is true or not. At one time nearly everyone in the world believed that the earth is flat. That didn't make it flat.

I look for evidence not opinions. Any idiot can have an opinion. But facts are a different matter.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

205 posted on 01/26/2004 8:00:57 AM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake
"You accuse me of speculation, but you suggest that the cleaning crew could have emptied the vacuum cleaner bags on the first floor or third floor to cause the floor tests to look like the J-Lo letter didn't contain anthrax."

I'm not speculating at all - I'm just presenting scenarios that prove your speculations are total garbage. Speculating, as you do, is making statements like "the vaccuming would have caused X and spores would have been found on Y".

The truth is - you cannot POSSIBLY knowthe dynamics of what happened in that building - but that doesn't stop yot presenting your TOTAL speculations as FACT.

If you still can't see the connection between the September 19 letter and the death of Bob Stevens you are seriously out of your mind - and that wouldn't surprise me in the least. Anyone who creates such a transparent "reverse profile" of the Milwaukee drunk and hopes nobody will catch on to what he's done is seriously mentally ill.

206 posted on 01/26/2004 8:02:26 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: EdLake
"I can name people who do not believe it."

Who? - Matthew Meselson - the guy that thought for 15 years that 100 people died from eating sausages?
207 posted on 01/26/2004 8:03:49 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: EdLake
"Interesting interpretation, but I notice that you are now talking about an "additive" instead of a "coating"."

Any additive used to weaponize anthrax IS a coating. You are simply parsing words to try to defend your PURELY POLITICAL theory - that a drunk and his cohorts were responsible for the 2001 anthrax attacks.

You need to look at ALL the FACTS. Once you look at ALL the FACTS you will see that your PURELY POLITICAL theory is total crap.
208 posted on 01/26/2004 8:06:46 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
Any additive used to weaponize anthrax IS a coating.

Hmmm. Interesting. Nonsense, but interesting.

It looks to me like we're just going in circles here. You interpret things and say they are facts. I present facts and you say they mean nothing.

There's no point in doing that all day for another day.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

209 posted on 01/26/2004 8:57:14 AM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake
So, why did you choose to write a reverse profile of this guy Michael Failey?

I suppose you found out what age he was and "guessed" in your profile that he was late 40's early 50's. Is that what you did?

Did you also "guess" he was unmarried?

Why are acting as dispicably as Barbara Hatch Rosenberg?




The FBI said that the chemist, whom the Miami Herald named today as
Michael Failey, is no longer under suspicion, according to the Herald.

"We have developed no information that he ever had access to anthrax
while he was at Battelle, and there was no anthrax in his home," one
official said (David Kidwell, Miami Herald, Dec. 21).


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/
columbusdispatch122101.html
Anthrax Probe Story Is Baloney, FBI Says

by Bruce Cadwallader and Catherine Candisky
The Columbus Dispatch
December 21, 2001




The FBI says it is not investigating a former Battelle scientist in
relation to an anthrax scare, contrary to national broadcast news
reports.

U.S. Sen. Mike DeWine said he talked to FBI Director Robert Mueller
yesterday and was assured that the scientist was not being
investigated. ABC News reported otherwise this week. "He said the ABC
News report was not true, that 'The network did not check with us, we
have no investigation and no one with or formerly with Battelle is a
suspect,' " DeWine said.

The scientist hasn't been charged and isn't under investigation, so The
Dispatch is not naming him.

ABC said he was at the heart of an investigation into an anthrax threat
soon after Sept. 11.

The scientist, who said he now works in a bowling alley, told The
Dispatch yesterday that agents searched his home in Milwaukee after he
made a vague reference to police about anthrax during a dispute with a
neighbor.

He said he later spoke to an ABC producer, denying any involvement with
anthrax.

"I didn't even know what anthrax was back then," the scientist said.
"My background does not involve biological weapons, and I never worked
with anthrax."

An Oct. 5 Milwaukee Journal Sentinel story quoted FBI agents as saying
they seized computer equipment from his home but found no anthrax
spores and discontinued the investigation.

The scientist, who worked at Battelle between March 1983 and April
1999, said his expertise included radioisotopes, military ordnance and
decontamination.

It has been widely reported that Battelle is one of two research
facilities in the country authorized to produce weapons-grade anthrax
spores. The other is in Utah. Both have been searched by the FBI.

"We are cooperating fully with the investigation but we can't comment
or provide any specific information on former personnel or an ongoing
investigation," Battelle spokeswoman Katy Delaney said.





http://www.jsonline.com/news/attack/oct01/phd05100401a.asp

Scientist's anthrax claim was bogus

Man with doctorate degree in chemistry was drunk, police say

By GRETCHEN SCHULDT
of the Journal Sentinel staff

Last Updated: Oct. 4, 2001

A week after the terrorist attacks on America, a highly educated
scientist told Milwaukee police that he was building an anthrax
delivery system in his basement, according to documents filed in
federal court.

In these times of heightened alert, the remark earned the man a visit
from FBI agents armed with a search warrant, who took the man's
computer, and keypads from a telephone and a microwave oven, according
to court records. But no deadly anthrax.

As it turns out, police were responding to a neighbor dispute, and the
man was intoxicated when he made the anthrax comments to police.

FBI spokeswoman Cathy Fahey said no further investigation is planned
and the man, whose resume says he has a doctorate in nuclear and
environmental chemistry, is not likely to be charged.

The affidavit says the man apparently was intoxicated when he made the
anthrax statement to police just days after the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks left the nation with heightened vigilance against potential
biological or chemical threats.

About 200 pounds of anthrax spores released upwind of Washington, D.C.,
could kill up to 3 million people, according to a government study.

Police were summoned to the man's west side home Sept. 18 by his
mother, who feared he would get into a physical confrontation with a
neighbor over damage her son allegedly did with a lawn mower to the
neighbor's property.

The woman "indicated that her son was usually not violent, but had
recently developed an alcohol problem and is unable to control his
temper after drinking," according to the affidavit by FBI Special Agent
Parker Shipley.

The affidavit was filed last week in support of a request for a search
warrant. The search was conducted Friday.

The affidavit says the man told officers he had worked for
subcontractors of the U.S. Departments of Defense and Energy as a
senior research scientist.

His resume, which he provided to the officers, "indicates that his
specialty is in the areas of radio chemistry, military ordnance and
munitions, and decontamination," the affidavit says.

The man's employment history was verified with a former employer, the
Battelle Memorial Institute in Columbus, Ohio. He was fired twice - in
1996 and 1999 - from his job there as a senior research scientist,
according to the affidavit and the man's resume, which also was filed
in court.

Battelle "had reason" to search the man's home after he was fired the
second time, the affidavit says.

The searchers found chemicals that were not illegal to possess, but an
informant told the FBI that the man "has the knowledge and experience
to utilize the chemicals that were found in his basement to make a
lethal chemical agent," the affidavit says.

Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Oct. 5, 2001.
210 posted on 01/26/2004 9:03:49 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: EdLake
"Hmmm. Interesting. Nonsense, but interesting."

Nma your sources for this. I have a source that when an additive is added to anthrax to increase it's floatabilty it is applied as a coating. The source is the Sceincve article.

What's your theory of an additive that is NOT a coating? You must have one - since you say my statement is "nonsense".

So stop your insults like saying I'm talking "nonsense" and just give your source.

Your website is PURE POLITICS - it is a thinly disguised campaign to convict an innocent man. This campaign is no different than BHR's campaign.
211 posted on 01/26/2004 9:28:24 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
What's your theory of an additive that is NOT a coating? You must have one - since you say my statement is "nonsense".

Silica is a common drying agent. One of the suggestions for the presence of silica in the Daschle anthrax is that silica was used as some kind of primitive drying agent - and traces remained. Silica is also a common additive to keep things from sticking together - not as a coating but as a separator. Here's one description from HERE.

Series-SD silica additive is mainly used as the anti-blocking agent, thickener, stabilizer and carrier in the area of the medicine, food and forage, also as the dryness absorbent of the essence and spicy. Its appearance is uniformly ivory powder. Due to the large specific surface area and the sub-microcosmic of the silica, it can separate with other powder substance, at the same time it promote the freedom fluidness resulting in the improvement of the wet absorption and anti-block ability.

So, to repeat, to say that an additive is a coating is total nonsense.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

212 posted on 01/26/2004 9:44:20 AM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake
"Silica is a common drying agent."

So? What's that got to do with silica weaponizing anthrax?

The OFFICICAL sources, NAMED SOURCES, such as Florabel Mullick, Frank Johnson and Major General John Parker are ALL ON THE RECORD stating that the silica was A KEY COMPONENT USED TO MAKE THE ANTHRAX FLOAT.

Tell us how silica can be a KEY COMPONENT to make the anthrax float WITHOUT that silica being a coating.

Once again, you are desperately trying to hide behind words. Your PURELY POLITICAL agenda and YOUR CAMPAIGN against Michael Failey, a man the FBI says is INNOCENT is once again totally blinding any logic.

You really ought to TRY to look at ALL the FACTS. When you LOOK at ALL the FACTS together and in light of the OFFICIAL US government statements that the silica was a KEY COMPONENT of the senate anthrax, it becomes clear to all of us that you are simply conducting a campaign of harrassment against Michael Failey.
213 posted on 01/26/2004 11:06:05 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: flamefront
bumpidy bump for later...
214 posted on 01/26/2004 11:31:23 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: EdLake
We can all now see that your "profile" for the "supplier" was simply constructed from the information that you obtained about Michael Failey from links like the one below:

http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/thisweek/2001_12_21_biow.html

Your profile:

1. The supplier probably took the Ames anthrax from a government facility.
2. The supplier was probably fired from that facility.
3. The supplier is probably considered an unstable personality, perhaps even a "drunk".
4. The supplier is almost certainly unmarried.
5. The supplier is a loner with few friends - if any.
6. The supplier is disgruntled and uncomfortable working with others.
7. The supplier probably uses phrases like "I keep telling them, but they don't listen."
8. The supplier doesn't care much about "rules".
9. The supplier believes that a free exchange of information is key to advancements in science.
10. The supplier may have had knowledge needed by the refiner/mailer.
11. The supplier is probably in his late 40s or early 50s.
12. The supplier probably lost his security clearance as a result of his actions.



Let's face it - you're busted!

You simply made this profile from every piece of information you had about Failey. This was EXACTLY what BHR did with Dr Steve Hatfill.

Shame on you! You are simply an attention-seeking individual with a narcisstic mental disorder. You had no problem faking the above profile you made - you wanted everyone to believe that you cleverly "deduced" all these details. When in fact you simply read about Michael Failey and then wrote the profile around him.

You are BUSTED!

215 posted on 01/26/2004 12:41:04 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: EdLake
"3. The supplier is probably considered an unstable personality, perhaps even a "drunk"."

This is a particularly nice touch. Having discovered that Michael Failey has an alcohol problem, you decide to insert this into your "profile". But better not make it too direct though, better just add "perhaps" even a "drunk".

Your arrogance knows no bounds - or your delusions about yourself. You actually had the gall to think people would believe you manged to make all these brilliant "deductions" from nothing!

Somehow you knew the "supplier" was a "drunk". Somehow you knew he had been fired from his job. Somehow you knew he used to work at an institute that had anthrax.

It now turns out that you did a Barbara Hatch Rosenberg - the very woman you have been obssessivley lambasting for the last 2 years for displaying the very same behavior you have displayed.

I'm glad you have a link to this thread on your website - that way your readers can easily find out just what a total and complete fraud you are.

I suppose your other "profile" is also based around a real person. I wonder who that is? I'm sure we'll find out by digging a little deeper.
216 posted on 01/26/2004 3:24:36 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: EdLake
"4. The supplier is almost certainly unmarried."

Brilliant deduction Lake - what incredible insight you showed. Just using your skill, judgement and brilliant deductive reasoning powers, which are far superior to the rest of us mere mortals, you were able to tell us in your "profile" that the "supplier" was "almost certainly" unmarried.

On the other hand, maybe you just read the article below.

Or to put it another way - maybe your entire "profile" is a total and complete fraud.



http://www.jsonline.com/news/attack/oct01/phd05100401a.asp


Police were summoned to the man's west side home Sept. 18 by his
mother, who feared he would get into a physical confrontation with a
neighbor over damage her son allegedly did with a lawn mower to the
neighbor's property


217 posted on 01/26/2004 3:41:18 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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