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WorldNetDaily ^ | 17 January 2004 | Jon Dougherty

[Spiff]

I met Jack Foote at the little protest I organized the other night against Jim Kolbe (RINO-AZ) and his and Bush's Amnesty proposals. The protest attracted the heads of Ranch Rescue (Jack Foote), Civil Homeland Defense (Chris Simcox), and American Border Patrol (Glenn Spencer), as well as others. I already knew Glenn and Chris, but I'd never met Jack before and I don't know what I expected. I was surprised to meet a very well-spoken, intelligent individual. He was not some rabid, racist redneck, like some people have portrayed him to be. He took a backseat in the protest and just helped out when it was needed. He was a really decent guy.

[Spiff]

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[Dante3]

Illegal aliens pose multiple threats to this country. They are criminals (drug dealers, terrorists, welfare cheats, etc.) Their sense of entitlement reveals a sociopathic personality. For environmental reasons alone, they should be rounded up and deported.

We are fighting a different kind of enemy -- one that infiltrates our country and establishes secret cells and perform terrorist attacks.

[Zipporah]

"He was not some rabid, racist redneck, like some people have portrayed him to be"

It's a shame you have to make that statement. It's interesting the way those who are in favor of the proposal on illegal immigration are trying to make those who speak out on this very serious issue racists, nuts, xenophobes in order to muzzle them or render them ineffective.

Private property rights are very important.. and you'd think people would be aligned with Chris Simcox.. Now tell me, if any of the 'muzzlers' had their own homes invaded they'd be screaming to high heaven.

[Ethan_Allen]

"I'd never met Jack before and I don't know what I expected. I was surprised to meet a very well-spoken, intelligent individual. He was not some rabid, racist redneck, like some people have portrayed him to be. He took a backseat in the protest and just helped out when it was needed. He was a really decent guy."

Why am I not surprised, despite the tiresome rhetoric to the contrary?

"...Ranch Rescue, based in Arlington, Texas, was formed in June 2000 by Jack Foote and a small group of people inspired by news reports about confrontations between local ranchers and immigrants on the U.S. border with Mexico. The group organizes armed vigilante "patrols" of the border on private property, over which they claim the federal government has no jurisdiction. ***Its activities enjoy wide support among EXTREMIST GROUPS across the county...." http://www.adl.org/Learn/news/ranch_rescue.asp

OTOH:

Building a Fence Against Terror By Abraham H. Foxman,
National Director of the Anti-Defamation League
http://adl.org/israel/fence.asp :

"...Criticism of Israel's security fence comes at a time when both the U.S. and Europe are seeking ways to seal their borders from unwanted outsiders. Much of this activity focuses on illegal immigrants. Images abound of the U.S. putting fences and walls in the Southwest to prevent the illegal entry of Central Americans....."

"ISRAEL'S problem however, IS A MUCH MORE SERIOUS ONE, A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH. It is not illegal immigrants but suicide bombers that Israel has to contend with. More than 800 civilians, the majority women and children, have been murdered in the last three years by terrorists. Thousands more have been injured...."

3,000 dead Americans on the other hand, I guess, are chump change in the mind of the ADL. They can be replaced with illegals and terrorists.

[Destro]

As a naturalized American it took awhile for me to grasp America's political system as compared to the one we have in Europe like in the UK.

We have in America a 2 party system, yet it is clear to me that this means in the case of the Republicans that it is a party that should in fact be 3 or 4 and maybe even 5 parties.

It is clear to me those I identify most with, including those against open borders and trade are ignored in the party. I for one thinks this set up not only stinks-but I am finding it sinister as time goes by.

PS: The Democrats are also going through this crack up. That is why Dean so threatens the Dem party establishemnt and maybe even the Republican establishement because he represents a group that is always ignored overturning the wishes of the establishment through the appearance of a viable candidate (Pat Buchanan-who never held an important job was not such a candidate).

[Zipporah]

My daughter-in-law is an immigrant and has very strong views on the Bush proposal. The problem with our system (2-party) at this time in history, is that in both parties the leadership are basically controlled by the same philosphy with few differences. You aren't far wrong when you use the word sinister. In reference to Buchanan or any candidate not having held a political office, that may not be a bad thing, not beholden to the party.. I would like to see that happen in my lifetime that and a congress that isn't overloaded with lawyers.

Dean IMHO will not be the nominee but we will see.

[Destro]

I like Pat, and agree with him 80 to 90% on the issues but I would never vote for him for president because of his resume.

Just because a man is of the same mind as me does not make him able to lead as president is my opinion. Now if Pat had run for the senate first and served well then he would have shown that he has the chops for the WH.

[Zipporah]

Buchanan has been demonized by those who want to depict him as a 'nut', so he's been rendered useless. The problem is there are no traditional conservatives running .. not for a very long time. Sad to say.

[Destro]

There is no secret govt. but there is an influential ruling elite in this nation that will not allow much deviation from one party to the other on certain issues. If any leader or candidate attempts deviation they will be colored as an extremist and starved of resources and brow beaten out.

It makes no sense to me that in a nation this large (compared to my birth nation over in Europe) everyone sounds the same and that all the news shows and papers cover the same issues. In fact in Europe, you could find so many newspapers that cover all sorts of political spectrums, dozens in small cities alone.

In America you would be hard pressed to find a town with more than one newspaper and one that is not owned by a national group. I find this bewildering and sinister even.

Did I become a citizen in a nation of robots without even knowing it?

[Destro]

Pat is not a nut. He strikes me as brilliant. I just don't know if a brilliant thinker like Pat also has the chops to husband legislation through the congress without prior experiance.

[Zipporah]

Hey I agree with you, but those who try to muzzle him and render him ineffective have done a good job in depicting him as such. I saw him years ago locally at a Buchanan rally when he ran for president. Too bad it didn't turn out well for him, things may have been different today.

[Destro]

All I remember is the panic amongst our ruling elite. A man like Pat would be able to make up his own mind. Bush strikes me as a good man but so uninformed he can be lead around the nose by advisors who serve other interests and are not beholden to voters.

I am socially conservative as well as financially conservative. But I am tired of the Republicans playing the gay card so we don't bolt.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.

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[Chewbacca]

Alan Keyes was very conservative and I voted for him during the primaries.

I was hoping that Bush would have chosen him as his Vice.

[Zipporah]

I don't think Bush is uninformed really but his advisors have a lot of influence that's for sure.

I am a conservative in the traditional sense-social and fiscal. I was a Democrat years ago, changing parties when I realized I was always voting Republican and agreed with what I thought was conservative values. On a state level, the Republicans are conservative and I live in a very conservative area. A liberal might as well give up trying here.

[Zipporah]

I like Keyes I've heard him speak.. but I tell you, I've been fooled so many times thinking someone was a traditional conservative when they turned out to be a neocon that I've become dubious of everyone..

[Destro]

I think Bush is very uninformed on matters.

[Zipporah]

Well .. I suppose on that we disagree..possibly you may be taking the position that IF he were informed, he wouldn't be going forth with such policies that have a potential for disasterous results?

[Destro]

I don't know myself. Let me just say I have lost my ability to judge him fairly after these immigration policy statements.