Hispanic residents mixed on Bush guest worker program

Naples Daily News ^ | 1/18/2004 | MIREIDY FERNANDEZ

[primeval patriot]

Yeah, if you left all the stupid American's would just starve to death, cities would come to a grinding halt, it would be the end of America.

We're all going to starve on an overgrown lawn in front of a house with no roof.

I haven't heard anyone accuse these clowns of being gloom and doomers.

[Marak]

It can work both ways. If enough people actually do it, it will send a powerful message, but if only a few do it, it can have negative effects.

I can almost hear Rove now. "Only ten people voted for Tancredo in Texas. Told you the conservatives would roll over."

[Marak]

Keep me posted on your efforts. I think it would be great if the numbers were there.

[expatguy]

"...The undocumented workers "fill a lot of jobs that American citizens don't want to fill," she said. "It was very difficult, almost impossible, to fill a vacancy for people...[sic]"

I am so sick of hearing this nonsense. Do any idiots actually believe this?

THE REASON PEOPLE DONT WANT THE JOBS IS BECAUSE OF THE PAY.

If someone is paid a decent enough salary then they will work.

You will always be able to find someone from an underdeveloped country whose living standards are below yours.

[Marak]

Just like the soviets proved long ago, if you keep on saying something long enough a lot of people will believe it.

[expatguy]

Exactly. If the employers would pay good pay wages, Americans would take the jobs. American citizens have always and will continue to work hard even before the illegals came and after the illegals leave. These criminals need to be deported right away, we need to enforce our laws, and put our Military on the border.

And therein lies the problem. The pay.

The fear tactic is that you will have to pay more for your tomatoes. And this is true. But also true is that the drain on social services will also be less.

The hidden truth that is never told, is that illegals do not pay taxes despite what anyone tells you. The are mostly paid in cash.

Employers can pay illegals whatever they want, there is no minimum wage for illegal aliens. There are no medical benefits. And so it is cheaper. Much cheaper.

Where I live in Malaysia, any family can hire a maid or servant from another country, mainly from Indonesia. The pay is less than you will pay a local to do the job but the government regulates it and there is a process that you need to go through with the government to hire a maid or servant.

Here is an example of a government licenced agency here in Malaysia ~

Maid Agency - Malaysia ~ There is a lot of good information on the site.

A lot of my friends back in the States are surprised when I tell them that we have two servants in our home here.

[raybbr]

You will always be able to find someone from an underdeveloped country whose living standards are below yours.

That's the part of this story that no one touches on. When they come here and work for such little money and live the way they do to them it's tenfold increase in their standard of living. Whereas for us it's cutting our standard of living to one quarter of what we have come to know. For illegal immigrants the draw is just too great.

Getting rid of the illegals will raise all of our standards of living or at least bring them back to normal. Unfortunately we have allowed the powerful in this country to dictate our needs to us for far too long. We have been turned, as a society, into automatons that do the bidding of a very few. They need these illegals because now we are starting to understand what has happened and a minor rebellion is taking place. The illegals are replacing us as the sheeple. The politicians and businesses that rely on them know that keeping the illegals subservient guarantees that they will retain power.

[FreeAtlanta]

Dasenti (sp) Fox, "They are not illegals! They are not illegals!"

[elli1]

I was one of the two American roofers who re-roofed our house last summer. We approached several contractors to give us bids. Only one showed up to even look at the house and he never came back w/ a bid. Tear-off, re-roof jobs go to the end of the line when there's sufficient new construction to keep the contractor boys busy.

[FITZ]

"I have a client who is terrified of immigration walking in to work because he uses a fake Social Security number and he's terrified of getting pulled over because he's driving without a license," she said. "If amnesty were to come in, it would benefit them because they wouldn't have to hide anymore."

Didn't even Bush say something about if they committed no other crimes? Using a fake Social Security number is a felony crime --- that's felony document fraud that should get him a trial and permanent deportation ---- also driving without a license is a crime. He's using a stolen Social Security number because he's taking a job an American would do.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I can go downtown in the North end of Vegas and buy any certification I want for %2-$250. They've taken over the Construction jobs here.

My buddy tells me the same thing. He said five years ago a person could make good money in Vegas in construction, but now the only ones making any money are the contractors. He tells me for the most part, the illegals have driven down the construction wages in the entire Las Vegas area.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Yeah, if you left all the stupid American's would just starve to death, cities would come to a grinding halt, it would be the end of America.

We're all going to starve on an overgrown lawn in front of a house with no roof.

I haven't heard anyone accuse these clowns of being gloom and doomers

Good point!

[FreeAtlanta]

I agree. I find it sickenly ironic that Fox views crossers of his southern border as illegal, and his troops actually shoot many of the people trying to cross Mexico's lower border. Fortunately for him, the bigger border is to his north, and there, not many try to cross into his country.