Hispanic residents mixed on Bush guest worker program

Naples Daily News ^ | 1/18/2004 | MIREIDY FERNANDEZ

[Choose Ye This Day]

"...who are the roofers? That's hard labor — the Americans don't want it."

Americans aren't roofers? The guys who roofed my last house sure seemed to be American. Americans don't work construction? Vamos, vato.

[Joe Hadenuf]

"This type of work is dirty and difficult because it's so hard on you physically," said Romero, 38. "No one else wants to do this job. There aren't any Anglo workers in the fields. If we left, the Americans wouldn't do this job."

Yeah, if you left all the stupid American's would just starve to death, cities would come to a grinding halt, it would be the end of America.

[Marak]

My roofers were American also. All trades here have to ahve a county license or the building permit is invalid.

[Marak]

[Yeah, if you left all the stupid American's would just starve to death, cities would come to a grinding halt, it would be the end of America.]

Would that be a low-fat AND a low-carb diet? I can see the bumper stickers now:

End obesity in America - Seal the boarders

[kingu]

There are specific people quoted in the article, and I'll tell you one of the few things that has helped silence our illegals - nail them. Report their names to the local office of C&IS and tell them about the illegal who is bragging about being here, make sure you quote the name of the article.

Call congress critters, tell the staffer the name, the name of the article, the name of the person you talked to at Immigration, and insist that someone follow up and make sure that so and so is deported.

Gather a listing of farms in the area, send a letter with the person's name and maybe a print out of the article. Say that you'll be notifying immigration that you've warned them about an illegal by that name, and that they can not hire this person and claim to not know he was an illegal.

Silencing organizations is next to impossible, but making illegals not talk to the press and give sob stories to confuse the issue is a very important thing to do. I've nailed a few in my area in this manner, and the local paper has stopped asking illegals to identify themselves.

[Marak]

They really don't get it. Americans were doing the jobs before they came, and Americans will be doing the jobs after they leave.

As I have said on other threads, I don't have a problem with immigrants. I have a problem with illegal immigrants. There are millions of people would love to come to this country and work hard and assimilate into the this culture. People who want to be part of America, not just people coming here for a quick buck and taking the money home with them.

[Marak]

[I've nailed a few in my area in this manner, and the local paper has stopped asking illegals to identify themselves.]

Therein lies the problem. The papers will just omit the names the next time. It does little to actually combat the problem.

The problem in this area ( and I am sure other areas as well) is that the laws are not enforced. Immigrantion law in this country is a joke. That is one of things that ticks me off about Bush's proposal. He promises strict enforcement of the laws in the future, and I don't believe it. There is no attempt right now to enforce them so why believe they will be enforced later. It is an amnesty plan.

[Marak]

I am for it.

Is Tancredo running in the primaries? I hadn't heard that he was.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

I can go downtown in the North end of Vegas and buy any certification I want for %2-$250. They've taken over the Construction jobs here.

[Marak]

I actually like the idea. The primaries are the perfect place to let the current administration feel our anger. We do no harm to Bush's reelection and yet we let him know that he should not take us for granted.

If conservatives do not hold pressure on Bush, we will be ignored as he swings to the left. The problem with him doing that, is that he moves the base of the debate to the left. Pretty soon, conservatives will be left out of the equation.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

Immokalee farmworkers such as Vicente Junes are undocumented, yet manage to get work in the fields and groves picking tomatoes, peppers, oranges and other fruits and vegetables.

Remember that less than 2% of those millions pick those veggies. The rest are moving into Industry, Construction and Restaurants.

[Chani]

"[I've nailed a few in my area in this manner, and the local paper has stopped asking illegals to identify themselves.]

Therein lies the problem. The papers will just omit the names the next time. It does little to actually combat the problem."

I think K's idea is a good one. What's wrong with us citizen's trying to do our part in helping eradicate this problem? If just every citizen would get one illegal busted, we could send a message. We're not gonna stand for this anymore, and there is a hell of lot more of us legals, than the illegals. (for now)

[Marak]

[I can go downtown in the North end of Vegas and buy any certification I want for %2-$250. They've taken over the Construction jobs here.]

Legally? Sounds like some laws need to change there.

[Chani]

Laws need to be enforced.

[Marak]

[Remember that less than 2% of those millions pick those veggies. The rest are moving into Industry, Construction and Restaurants.]

I wasn't aware of the 2% figure, but I do know about them moving into other industries. Unless something is done, this problem will only get worse. (And I do not consider Bush's proposal as getting something done)

[Marak]

[I think K's idea is a good one. What's wrong with us citizen's trying to do our part in helping eradicate this problem? If just every citizen would get one illegal busted, we could send a message. We're not gonna stand for this anymore, and there is a hell of lot more of us legals, than the illegals. (for now) ]

There is nothing wrong with the proposal except that I don't think it would work. We could certainly get citizens to file the complaints, but that is only the beginning. Next you have to have authorities that would actually do somethign about it. If the authorities cared to address the problem, do you think these guys would be unafraid to give interviews? More likely the authorities will give you the run around for bothering them.