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Stealth Legislation Undermines the Constitution
The Rutherford Institute ^ | January 12, 2004 | John W. Whitehead

Posted on 01/16/2004 4:55:05 PM PST by Federalist 78

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To: Federalist 78
yeah but If you don't vote for W a demoncrat wins.

The only diff bewteen the two parties is the rate at which we enact socilaist agenda and abortion.

41 posted on 01/16/2004 7:48:33 PM PST by Kay Soze (“The Bush immigration plan is heavily dependent on enforcement agencies we don't have”- WFBuckley)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
If this kind of abuse had been proposed by Clinton and Reno, FR would be afire. There'd be petitions, freeps planned, you name it. But when Bush attacks Americans' rights it's like, 'please sir, may I have another?'

This is the correct answer.

However, any even remotely sentinent being around here will understand that the mouth-breathers are never going to comprehend just why it is the correct answer.

42 posted on 01/16/2004 7:50:38 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
The War Against Us
43 posted on 01/16/2004 7:52:47 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Turin_Turambar
Finally found the missing 12 USC 3414 section (c). Funny thing is a google search eventually lead me back to a Free Republic thread with our own mrsmith providing the info!

SEC. 334. MODIFICATION TO DEFINITION OF FINANCIAL INSTITUTION IN THE RIGHT TO FINANCIAL PRIVACY ACT.
(a) IN GENERAL- Section 1101(1) of the Right to Financial Privacy Act of 1978 (12 U.S.C. 3401(1)) is amended by inserting `, except as provided in section 1114,' before `means any office'.
(b) DEFINITION- Section 1114 of such Act (12 U.S.C. 3414) is amended by adding at the end the following: `(c) For purposes of this section, the term `financial institution' has the same meaning as in section 5312(a)(2) of title 31, United States Code, except that, for purposes of this section, such term shall include only such a financial institution any part of which is located inside any State or territory of the United States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, or the United States Virgin Islands.'

FR rocks.

44 posted on 01/16/2004 7:57:45 PM PST by m1911
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To: dirtboy
Sec 3401

(Compare to the much looser definition of sec 5412. So the upshot of the provision is to replace the following definition when it comes to terrorism or counterintelligence matters. BTW, there is nothing, now that I've looked at it, that is so awful about this. The 5412 definition is appropriate for criminal investigations and as long as the SAME targets are subject to these types of inquiries, it matters little how MUCH financial information the gov't is allowed to gather). A good catch, but overblown, I say.

(1) ''financial institution'' means any office of a bank,
savings bank, card issuer as defined in section 1602(n) of title
15, industrial loan company, trust company, savings association,
building and loan, or homestead association (including
cooperative banks), credit union, or consumer finance
institution, located in any State or territory of the United
States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, American
Samoa, or the Virgin Islands;
45 posted on 01/16/2004 7:58:22 PM PST by Turin_Turambar
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To: mrsmith
I meant to include you on #44
46 posted on 01/16/2004 7:58:41 PM PST by m1911
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
You sure hit that on the head.
I will not get chipped either.
Bible prophecy and New World Order, all done up in a neat little package.
47 posted on 01/16/2004 9:43:56 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
US citizens will ask to wear a biometric chip

Now, if they could just issue these along the Mexican border to all the illegals coming in...

48 posted on 01/16/2004 9:54:02 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: m1911
That's weird I can't figure how that small thread with only one mention of the section would show up on Google's search enging which AFAIR ranks by links.
The first time I saw a post of mine show up in Google I was looking for a speech by President Tyler that I had used on a "America is the the new Roman Empire" thread. I went searching for "an empire of commerce" and there right next to the Tyler speech was the FR thread. That was a popular thread with a lot of good commentary and I figured it might have been linked to by several people, but I can't see why the thread you found would have been linked to.
Oh well, can't fight City Hall, so I added an update to it.
49 posted on 01/17/2004 8:07:32 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Federalist 78
The Constitution is the prize of The Game Of Princes! We are a Chequemated Society and what better association to do it to us than a Pseudo Conservative perceived Republican Party! Our Constitution is what holds us together as a Nation. It is being relentlessly attacked by the Supreme Court, The Communist ACLU, and every Tin Horn Dictator you can name.

Patriot Act & Patriot Act II are the guide book literature the New World Order plans to use to implement The FEMACRATS control of captive America. Does anyone doubt the resolve to ignore every potential danger posed to this country?Think for a moment about the name "PATRIOT ACT" and "PATRIOT ACT II". These names were selected to conjure up a rallying point for the ignorant political masses to support! This is supposed to make us swell up with pride because we live in a wonderful country(which we do)but for a much different ending. These are just names selected for a ulterrior motive that has nothing to do with "PATRIOTISM"! America is in a freefall planned and scheduled to self destruct on schedule. You have already begun to hear of talk of Police State tactics and potential Martial Law designations for this country. If it does happen all these Draconian Measures must be in place and ready to slam shut the doors on captive America. No Tin Foil required here Citizens! The havoc we are dealing with in respect to no immigration enforcement in this country is but one more piece of the meltdown of the melting pot of America. There is just so much heat that can be absorbed and with all the internal shaking going on the Pot will ultimately blow, just like Yellowstone will some day!

The programmed demise of America is what we are dealing with here. Never doubt that there are people,politicians and terrorists who have the patience of job but not the class he had who will never rest until our Country lies in ashen ruins. America is un-accustomed to Barbarians who have suddenly sprang up amongst us. We being tolerant to a fault have not the resolve necessary to make radical adjustments to combat the threats that continue to mound up around us. Our National Living Document The Constitution must have Allegiance sworn to it by Warrior Partiots who will abide by its Laws And Bill Of Rights. They are also required to defend it to the DEATH if necessary if they are receiving from the Country those God Given Rights by being a full Fledged Citizen Contributor who pay into our system of Social Services and are on the Tax Rolls supporting our Nation. If you are not willing to abide by our Laws and swear alliegiance to our Constitution by establishing a permanent Address and submit to being Fingerprinted for identification purposes and come out of the shaddows and learn English as your "FIRST LANGUAGE" ; you are a SCAB AND A BOTCH on our Society un-worthy of receiving anything. I am sorry your country of origin has failed you but you will not be allowed to continue your illegal crusade upon our Country. You are the unfortunate victim of your native country's willingness to encourage you to jump the border. We have our own to take care of "FIRST"! The American TAXPAYER cannot provide for every dis-enfranchised PAPPASITO,MAMMASITO and NINO who needs help; America comes first get it? People are telling you that you are the problem....WRONG! You are the "SYMPTOM" The "PROBLEM" is American Companies who hire all you UN-DOCUMENTED drifting waifs. The owners of these Companies Belong in Prison and the sooner the better! The arms of Lady Liberty cannot bear up under the strain of new multiple millions showing up for supper;especially when you are part of a plan of just taking, taking, taking and not contributing! "THE SCAB & BOTCH stops here! This means you if you are a un-documented Alien

Once we dry up all the jobs you are coming here for, the solution to your problem is to agree to abide by our Constitution and get legally admitted or remain in your country of origin and work to elect someone like Simon Bolivar the Latin Statesman instead of those like El PRESIDENTE the consumate socialist and we will work to do the same to rid ourselves of the Socialist influence here at home. Your country of origin should be able to provide the jobs you keep trying to steal from us! You are messing with our American Birthright Seniors & Senioritas and in the immutable words of "YOSEMITE SAM" BACK OFF PARTNER!

50 posted on 01/17/2004 10:26:51 AM PST by winker
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To: supercat; Byron_the_Aussie; zeugma; chris2004; MarcinIN; WhaddaboutThisOne?; calawah98; gcruse; ...

Wasn't there a recent court ruling against administrative subpoenas (RIAA seeking them against ISP's)? Would that not be applicable here also?

Testimony Submitted To The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee On "America Post-9/11: Freedoms Preserved Or Freedoms Lost" By Bob Barr 21st Century Liberties Chair For Freedom And Privacy At The American Conservative Union November 18, 2003 EXCERPTED


My name is Bob Barr. Until January of this year, I had the honor to serve as a United States Representative from Georgia. Previously, I served as the presidentially appointed United States Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, as an official with the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, and as an attorney in private practice. Currently again a practicing attorney, I also now occupy the 21st Century Liberties Chair for Privacy and Freedom at the American Conservative Union, and consult on privacy matters for the American Civil Liberties Union. My testimony today will reflect this background as I speak on behalf of both these organizations, both long-dedicated to protecting constitutional principles cherished by many generations of Americans.

Any law or series of laws or federal programs that weakens the ability of any one of these three branches of government to serve as a check and balance on the other two, is inherently problematic and ought to be viewed with concern if not alarm. This is perhaps the fundamental concern with the manner in which the government has responded to the terrorist attacks of 9/11 - significantly weakening as a matter of law the power and ability of the judiciary to check the exercise of executive power; and weakening as a matter of practice the ability of the legislature to conduct meaningful oversight of the same.

Our view of this problem, and how to address it, must be viewed from a politically neutral perspective; that is, regardless of which party maintains power in the Executive Branch.

Some of these, such as the controversial Computer Assisted Passenger Pre-Screening System (CAPPS II), offend conservative values by blindly intruding into the private records of law-abiding Americans in the vain hope of that such privacy intrusions will somehow expose a terrorist. CAPPS II and its ilk are false security on the cheap. Airports and other terrorist targets will only be made safer with better, more solid, advance intelligence (and better coordination, analysis, evaluation and dissemination of same) on who the specific threats are -- not which innocent person looks most suspicious at the gate or in a "black box" database. The arbitrary exercise of power by federal employees now occurring and which would be greatly expanded if CAPPS II goes into effect is of the sort that has never heretofore withstood the test of probable cause or even reasonable suspicion. It ought not to be allowed to do so now.

Other programs, including certain provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act, implicate privacy but also imperil Americans' cherished right to engage in peaceful debate about the issues of the day. Several sections in the USA PATRIOT Act are especially illustrative of this suppressive attitude to security.

Indeed, much of the USA PATRIOT Act is non-controversial, and some of it quite welcome. The Act's problems lie in a relatively few provisions, squirreled away in the bill during the negotiations before its passage. While they may be few in number, they are major in their impact on civil liberties in America. Contrary to how some characterize these problem provisions, they represent anything but "tinkering" or "fine tuning" of pre-existing law and procedure.

Not only do these provisions undercut basic conceptions of due process and privacy, their effectiveness is questionable. As a former CIA official, I witnessed first-hand how much of our national security apparatus -- even our counter-terrorism and international intelligence work -- is built on very basic policing methods. From your local grifters to the Bin Ladens of the world, bad guys are generally found and punished using a system that includes basic checks and balances on government power and which militates against dragnet investigative fishing expeditions.

As an example of what not to do in national security, take Section 213 of the PATRIOT Act, the so-called "sneak and peek" provision. In addition to ignoring fundamental Fourth Amendment privacy rights, it also greases the slippery slope that was clearly anticipated, but specifically addressed and avoided by the drafters of our Constitution in the threefold separation-of-powers system of government they crafted so magnificently.

Specifically, Section 213 of the PATRIOT Act statutorily codifies delayed-notification search warrants, making them easier to obtain. This provision (not subject to a "sunset" expiration) takes what had been the exception to the rule of search and seizure notice, and has made it the rule.

Prior to the passage of the PATRIOT Act, this authority - which permits federal investigators to break into Americans' homes and businesses and then search their belongings, peruse the contents of their computer hard drives, and not tell them about it until weeks or months afterward - was allowed by courts, but only in extreme circumstances when lives or evidence could be lost by observing the traditional Fourth Amendment "knock and announce" convention.

By lessening the burden on prosecutors seeking to obtain these warrants, thus giving the executive branch a leg up on the judiciary, the fear, especially among conservatives, is that this extraordinary power will become ordinary. My former colleague in the House, Rep. Butch Otter from Idaho, reportedly took up the fight to narrow sneak and peek power after hearing from pro-life groups who worry the warrants would be misused, like the RICO statute, to advance the pro-abortion agenda. This is hardly the only scenario wherein these powers could be abused; it is frighteningly illustrative.

The problems with another controversial new power, laid out in Section 215 of the 2001 Act, sounds similar themes as the sneak and peek issue. Under Section 215, FBI agents can obtain court orders for the release of, among other things, business information, reading histories, Internet surfing data, medical records and even lawful firearm purchase receipts, under a standard of evidence that equates to a "rubber stamp."

Known primarily for its effect on access to library records -- it could be used to monitor Americans' book borrowing habits -- 215 is legally wide-ranging; extending, frighteningly, even to medical and genetic information. While much has - appropriately - been written about this provision's chilling effect on library users (a result that is very real regardless of how many times the government says it has or hasn't employed the power), the dangers in its broad reach cannot be over emphasized.

A companion provision, found in Section 505 of the USA PATRIOT Act, raises concerns similar to those raised by Section 215. Section 505 is, in some respects even more troubling; it expands the government's ability to use so-called "national security letters," which are essentially administrative subpoenas, to secure access to a wide range of data and information on U.S. citizens. As this Committee knows, administrative subpoenas can be issued without probable cause, and without even the "rubber stamp" judicial review of a Section 215 search.

Of great concern to conservatives and liberals alike, is Section 802 of the Act. This section defines a new crime of "domestic terrorism." Direct action conservative advocates, such as those advocating anti-abortion principles, fear use of this provision just as do direct action liberals, such as those protesting certain government policies (for example, military use of Vieques), because it could very easily be employed as the justification to target such groups. This abuse of the Act could very easily prevail, even though no reasonable person would equate the activities of such groups or advocates with "terrorism" -- such as gave rise to consideration of the USA PATRIOT Act in the first place.

Under 802, terrorism is defined sufficiently broad such that if this, or indeed any future administration were so inclined, it could use the USA PATRIOT Act to prosecute protesters as terrorists when any reasonable person would view that as excessive. Section 802 has a suppressive, Orwellian effect on speech and political advocacy, especially direct action advocacy, arguably the most effective grassroots technique to influence political change.

Furthermore, Section 802's over-breadth implicates other sections of the USA PATRIOT Act and even other laws. If the contemplated, so-called "Son of PATRIOT" were ever to be enacted, its further expansion of terrorism offenses, and its further reductions of due process in those prosecutions, could all be extended to political advocacy under 802's overly ambitious language. Sections 803 and 805 build on 802 and expand the crime of "material support," which now could result in those who harbor or conceal political protesters being hit with a terrorism prosecution.

802 should be narrowed so that terrorism offenses target terrorism, not political protest.

My fellow witnesses have addressed, and will touch on other parts of the USA PATRIOT Act. I need not belabor the specifics of the law but I do hope its flaws will be corrected, and soon, before they harden into a concrete barrier surrounding the Bill of Rights. The SAFE Act, introduced and supported by an impressively bipartisan group of Senators, is one commendable and responsible such effort.

In line with the reflective approach of this hearing, I think it is important to note several encouraging victories for constitutional freedoms in a post-9/11 America. The looming specter of giant, voracious super-databases -- tasked with assessing our threat levels through the monitoring, cross-referencing and analyzing of minute details in the daily lives of law-abiding citizens - has to some degree abated. But only sufficiently to allow us to catch our breath; not nearly to the extent we can breath easy.

Around this time last year, the controversy surrounding the citizen-spy program known as Operation TIPS (Terrorism Information Prevention System) reached its boiling point. Thankfully, the program was then shelved. The program, which would have recruited postal workers, utility workers, and many others with vocational or simply occasional access to private residences, as government informants encouraged to report any "suspicious" activity to a central government hotline.

In what has been one of the most unexpected "strange bed fellows" moves of recent years, but emblematic of how fundamental these issues are in our democracy, then-majority leader Richard Armey from Texas and minority leader Nancy Pelosi inserted an amendment in the Homeland Security Bill barring all funding for Operation TIPS and like programs.

Regrettably, programs expanding federal powers - programs such as TIPS or the similarly discredited TIA (Total Information Awareness) - rarely die a final death, even if Congress directs their demise. However, that at least some action is being taken is a heartening development. Hopefully, it will continue, especially through both the oversight and legislative work of this Committee and its counterpart in the House.

We must remain vigilant. TIPS and TIA are being resurrected in part under other names in other departments. For instance, some proponents of blanket surveillance technologies are attempting to circumvent Congress, the agencies or even federal law (such as the Privacy Act) by providing federal taxpayer funds to states or local governments to establish or implement the programs themselves.

The MATRIX Program (Multi-state Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange) developed in Florida with federal dollars, by a private company, to do what Congress has already indicated it did not want done directly through TIA, is an example of this approach.

The Justice Department is presumably taking similar steps with future PATRIOT-style legislation, including the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003, also known as "Son of PATRIOT Act," or "PATRIOT II." While it hasn't been formally introduced in Congress, pieces of it are appearing piecemeal in other seemingly innocuous or non-germane legislation.

Not least of Son of PATRIOT's problems, is a proposed section that would permit the federal government to strip Americans of their citizenship (whether natural-born or naturalized), if they are convicted of "material support" for terrorism (a charge that could apply to actions that citizens of common sense would be hard-pressed to see as terrorism). The framers of our Constitution deliberately omitted mention of such power, because they realized the authority to strip our citizenship is the ability to tailor the electorate to one's advantage - a truly terrifying state of affairs.

In sum, the Constitution and its Bill of Rights have taken some hits in the two years since 9/11; hits that must be fixed via the SAFE Act, for example. The simple fact that we appear here seeking to identify and address these problems demonstrates Americans' reticence to allow understandable concern over terrorism to mutate into the crippling of our most cherished rights and freedoms.

That should give us some encouragement. There is a great deal of work to be done, and further hard decisions to be made, but there remains time to turn back the constitutional clock and roll back excessive post-9/11 powers before we turn the corner into another Japanese internment or, closer to our own experiences, before we witness a legally sanctioned Ruby Ridge or Waco scenario.

In many other countries, it is neither acceptable nor lawful to reflect openly on and refine past action. In America, it is not only allowable, it is our obligation, to go back and reexamine the decisions made by the federal government during the panic of an event like September 11th.

Of course, a country suffering through the immediate fallout from the worst terrorist attack on American soil ever is going to make some mistakes. To err isn't just human, it's a direct result of representative democracy.

Case in point: myself. I voted for the USA PATRIOT Act. I did so with the understanding the Justice Department would use it as a limited, if extraordinary power, needed to meet a specific, extraordinary threat. Little did I, or many of my colleagues, know it would shortly be used in contexts other than terrorism, and in conjunction with a wide array of other, privacy-invasive programs and activities.

According to a growing number of reports, as well as a GAO survey, the Justice Department is actively seeking to permit USA PATRIOT Act-aided investigations and prosecutions in cases wholly unrelated to national security, let alone terrorism.

This should not be allowed to continue. As my esteemed colleague in the House, former Speaker Newt Gingrich wrote recently, "in no case should prosecutors of domestic crimes seek to use tools intended for national security purposes." When we voted for the bill, we did so only because we understood it to be essential to protect Americans from additional, impending terrorist attacks.

51 posted on 01/17/2004 11:56:05 AM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Federalist 78
As always, a great post. I'm going to steal and post elsewhere.
52 posted on 01/17/2004 4:18:03 PM PST by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: Federalist 78
Thanks for posting this. It's excellent and thoughtful testimony, all of which bears careful consideration.

I hadn't heard about the MATRIX program. Anyone know more about it? I'll see what I can turn up, in any event.
53 posted on 01/17/2004 4:45:05 PM PST by WhaddaboutThisOne?
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