Bush Gives Country Away

WND.com | 01-15-03 | Farah, Joseph

[metoooo]

did you forget the amnesty to illegals during the reagan years?

[RebelBanker]

For a long time, both the major political parties have allowed the situation to fester based on their own calculations of what was to their advantage - The Rats wanted lots of new Hispanic voters and the Pubbies wanted the cheap labor. Thus, lax enforcement. I really do not know if better enforcement would work or not. I do know that civil libertarians (including lots of conservatives) would go apesh*t if the President suggested a national ID card and giving all police the mandate to check it. Since it is against the law to racially profile, you and I and everyone else here would be subject to police demanding to see our "papers" at any time.

You and Carry_Okie have been beating me up and insisting that all illegals must go home before applying for a guest worker permit. Even if the illegals would go for it, that would be a nightmare to administrate as well as a nasty hit on the economy while all the "undocumented" types went home to get their cards.

This is primarily a Hispanic issue because Mexicans can walk into the country. Asians (who actually are a significant part of the problem) and Europeans need transportation to get here. It is generally easier to catch ships smuggling people than hordes of individuals on foot.

Again, Carry had a really good idea but I think we can explore it some more: How do we encourage these people to go/stay home?

[RebelBanker]

Excellent point. My only reply would be that the status quo is ultimately unsustainable, so we do need to do something. I had not thought about how this would be seen from the perspective of a potential "undocumented worker."

[azhenfud]

"Asians (who actually are a significant part of the problem)"

I've a need to disagree with ya there, my friend. Mexico's "share" of Illegaliens topped 69% of all illegals in 2002.

"Mexico is the largest source country for unauthorized immigration to the United States. The estimated unauthorized resident population from Mexico increased from about 2.0 million in 1990 to 4.8 million in January 2000. Mexico’s share of the total unauthorized resident population increased from 58 percent in 1990 to 69 percent in 2000."

http://www.illegalalien.net/

[Peelod]

Parody of moveon.org

http://www.blackstarsblog.com/bushin41point2.htm

Warning: Contains vulgar language

[Dane]

Again, Carry had a really good idea but I think we can explore it some more: How do we encourage these people to go/stay home?

JMO, but by pushing reforms in Mexico. That's a tough problem. Mexico should be just as prosperous as Chile, but the Mexican left(who control the Mexican Congress) keeps people down with thier own xenophobia.

[azhenfud]

http://www.illegalalien.net/

Sorry, my bad.

[itsahoot]

Farah is also on target about the other outrage: the willingness of some so-called conservatives to find excuses for what Bush has done.

Bingo, and this forum has more than a few. Reagan, before he was elected, often said "A country that cannot control its borders, is not a country." Something happened to change his mind on this.

Maybe it was the same leadership that forced him to accept George Sr. as his VP. I remember the convention well, there was no clear choice for VP and the battle raged on til the wee hours, finally RR came to the floor and endorsed Bush Sr.

Maybe I am just a one issue radical, but we could use an Eisenhower about now.

[raybbr]

s is primarily a Hispanic issue because Mexicans can walk into the country.

I disagree. I think it's primarily an hispanic issue because of politics. That's why this rankles so many people.

I am not "beating you up" on this issue. This is how I feel about it.

[Dane]

Maybe it was the same leadership that forced him to accept George Sr. as his VP. I remember the convention well, there was no clear choice for VP and the battle raged on til the wee hours, finally RR came to the floor and endorsed Bush Sr

Actually the rumor that night was that Reagan's running mate was going to be Gerald Ford. Reagan then came in and addressed delgates saying it was GWHB to quash those rumors.

[FITZ]

When Silvestre Reyes was in charge of Border Patrol, he took on the Mexican government ---- which was highly critical of his Operation Blockade, and Operation Hold-the-Line --- he became very popular for getting some local control over the border and was elected to Congress --- by Hispanics. I don't think Bush should believe every hispanic wants this merger with Mexico or the open borders that Fox is demanding. I know many who don't.

[FITZ]

I think it's considered (erroneously) a hispanic issue because some believe that is a homogenous new race group --- that all SW Americans with Spanish ancestry feel some magical connection with Mexico --- when many haven't visited there for many generations and have no connections with the place, and they believe that because Cuban Americans and these Spanish Americans might be conservative, that every indigent peasant from Mexico and Guatemala must also be conservative.

There is no evidence that Mexico and Central America ever had anything even close to the Republican party --- there is no correlation to American Conservatives in those countries.

[itsahoot]

Also can you please post a link on how Eisenhower did it.

He used guys with guns, I think

[F16Fighter]

"Did you ever think you'd see the day that a communist government would set up a factory on our shores?"

Nope.

Now allies of the Democratic Party --BOTH domestic and foreign communists -- have even more a foothold of which to infiltrate and destroy America from within.

Unfortunately, counting on the GOP protect U.S. sovereignty is proving to have been a bad bet.

[itsahoot]

Sounds to me like the kid got too many wedgies, didn't make the football team, and dropped out because he couldn't handle it.

And how many books have you got published?

[Kwilliams]

Because I want to be just like you, I'll definitely be sure to do all those things.

Being a brainless pin-head sounds like fun!

[TheDon]

Agreed. It will be interesting to see where the dialogue goes on this issue. Hopefully, we don't end up with the status quo, or something worse.

[itsahoot]

And why won't a fence work? We certainly have the engineering know-how to construct one

Not to mention cheap labor too.

[F16Fighter]

"Unless the people of America can maintain soveriegnty over the borders of this nation, and control of its composition, citizenship and voting become meaningless, and therewith go the Constitution's promise to guarantee unalienable rights.

There can be no compromise on that issue."

Hear Hear, C.O!

Wouldn't it be inspirational to hear the Commander-in-Chief utter these same truths?

[itsahoot]

I agree that they shouldn't be on welfare, but that is up to the states.

No it is not up to the states. Prop 187 mean anything to you? Health care is an unfunded mandate from the federal government, as is public education.