What ever happened to "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."

CookingWithCarlo.com ^ | 01/11/2004 | Carlo3b Dad, Chef, Author

[Hon]

"I have, with the best of my mind and body, served my country both on the field of battle"

Since you have brought it up, may I respectfully ask how this was possible given that your own resume shows you as constantly employed since the age of 18, first at the House Of Carlo and your many Costume Design jobs (1959-1967) then at the Westin (1967-1974).

From 1972-1984 you claim to have been running several bars and restaurants. You would have been 43 in 1984.

So when was your military service, and when were you in combat?

[carlo3b]

My friend, I am flattered that you are so fascinated with my accomplishments, and that as such, you have taken on such a personal interest, but I hope that you have noticed that you've allowed yourself to become obsessed.

Before this escalates any further, I'll tell you that I am occupied personally, and have no interest in any other relationships. I think it would be healthier for you to find something else to do with you time, or seek a friend more accessible. Have you thought about getting a dog to keep you company..

Dealing with you holds me on line continuously because you are a snake and as you have shown, sneaky enough to wait until I leave to live a life, then post your vile which fouls this thread until I return..

This reminds me of a quote by Thomas Jefferson;

"But as it is," Jefferson wrote, "we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go."

I have no interest in dealing with you any further.. Because your real interest I believe, is to derail any defense of immigration, or an honest dialog that can shed light on the subject.. I would be interested however, in finding out what initially brought you to my unwanted attention.. will you to answer a couple of questions??..

• Has an immigrant replaced you in your job?
• Have you been replaced by an illegal immigrant with lesser skills or a lower wage?
• Do you HATE Mexicans, or other Hispanics?
• Do you HATE Bush, and find this wedge issue a possible way to lower his reelectability?
  Are you more interested in stirring the Republican base to cause them to lose interest in the election?

[FITZ]

"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."

That wasn't written by an American but by some French guy --- and he didn't write it for his own country so the "us" is a little strange. Post Great-Society it's turned more into "longing to be on welfare programs", "longing for freebies".

[FITZ]

I know they voted for Reagan in his bid for reelection. Because we told them it was this President that allowed them to have this opportunity.. :)

That's certainly not the way the majority did --- at one time the "hispanic" vote really was primarily Republican. Post 80's amnesty it began to go heavily democrat. Clinton got 80% of the hispanic vote, so there is no evidence at all that amnesty-pandering helps the Republicans in any way at all.

[FITZ]

Bad news. The Indians were immigrants, too. And there is pretty good evidence that they displaced somebody else when THEY arrived...

That's true -- Indian tribes who couldn't defend their territories were often pushed out by others who came in and took them over. Indians moved around often and were invaded by enemy tribes. Some people have very little understanding of history and think that the Indians had all their ancestors originate here --- when in fact the came over the Bering Strait and they believe there was one big happy united Indian nation when it was in fact many separate groups.

[FITZ]

Why would you want to document them, signor Carlo?

They won't be as easy to exploit for low wages with no benefits once they are given blue cards --- illegal employers won't comply with the new laws any more than they complied with the old laws --- for the same reasons. The new excuse will be --- why hire a blue card holder and be forced to pay minimum wage and certain benefits, when you can bring in illegals who will work harder for less money.

[A Navy Vet]

With all sincerity, when did you serve in combat and what branch were you in. Very impressive resume, by the way.

[Jim Cane]

It's a nice pile of emotional pablum you've posted here, but it has nothing to do with the current tide of illegal aliens from south of the border.

I can take you for a drive right now to construction site after construction site chock full o' illegals who have no interest in assimilation. They are not interested in Liberty, nor learning U.S. civics, nor the English language, nor becoming citizens of this nation.

This is simply war by other means on the part of Aztlan, and weepy stories about gramps pledging allegience to the Red, White, and Blue billowing in a cherry blossom breeze, while a chorus holding apple pies, hums "Hymn of the Republic" in the background, will not prevent the civil war that will result from the government blessed balkanization of the southwest U.S.

Vote Tancredo in 2004.

[carlo3b]

This is really getting a bit too personal for me on an open thread . This asshole is about to really piss me off.. But yours is a fair question.. I served in the AIR FORCE 1959-1962, involved in a 1961 little covert operation code named "Operation Zapata".. this was not our nations finest hour.. I was a brief POW, but not long enough mention. We were initially a team of 6 guys grabbed as soon as we hit dirt.

We were helped out really early by a Cuban guard, and a mess of farmers. The envision as you know was a tragedy, only 18 of us were white Americans. 13 of the guys weren't fortune enough to make it out.. Not anything I like to either think about or talk about.. It was better known as the bay of pigs, I was part of a drop in behind the lines.. and it pretty much finished me with Democrats and candy-assed liberals.. Now Thats it.. no more about this chapter, thanks.. Really thanks for your service.

[A Navy Vet]

And thank you for your service and response.

[carlo3b]

Clinton got 80% of the hispanic vote, so there is no evidence at all that amnesty-pandering helps the Republicans in any way at all.

I don't think this issue is about votes, although the outcome of the elections in many states and local will indeed be determined by immigrants.. but it has always been that way..

My beef and I hope yours as well is what the liberal state governments is BS like motor voter, and no ID's necessary to vote.. That isn't Bush's fault, and I have been told the legislation pending, (WHICH NOBODY HAS SEEN YET) has some steps to avoid that and other stuff that is really a problem.. I don't like this anymore than anyone else, nor do I want to see this problem, which is mostly a state problem, continue.. only the argument has deteriorated into bash these poor peasants that cross to work to live..

We have to find a way to organize this mess and if anyone that tries is going to get bashed.. we will never see an end to it!

[FITZ]

If there really is a need for guest workers --- which I'm not sure there is because I've never seen any proof that recruitment efforts were made in inner cities and high unemployment neighborhoods before going off to recruit in Mexico, then we still have to see that much of this labor if needed is only needed in agriculture which is very seasonal work. If a worker is here for 3 years but has a steady job for 3 months -- they don't need to be here the other 9 months.

I could see a guest worker program where farm laborers are bused or flown up to a farm that provides them housing, they stay until the crops are in and then they are bused or flown back home. No pass that lets them come and go as they please, they could come back again for the next season as long as they committed no crime while here. The families would stay in Mexico where it's much cheaper to educate and provide them health care --- and they stay their own government's responsibility. The guest worker would bring back money to invest and build up his own homeland because that would be where he would be staying.

[carlo3b]

It's a nice pile of emotional pablum you've posted here, but it has nothing to do with the current tide of illegal aliens from south of the border.

I'm sorry to have the audacity to show another side of the story. What is this with Vote Tancredo in 2004. Are we seeing another Perot in the offing.. Should we tolerate a DEAN administration for 8 or more years,like the wackjobs that touted 3rd parties that brought us CLINTON.. NOT AGAIN!

[Jim Cane]

I'm sorry to have the audacity to show another side of the story. What is this with Vote Tancredo in 2004. Are we seeing another Perot in the offing.. Should we tolerate a DEAN administration for 8 or more years,like the wackjobs that touted 3rd parties that brought us CLINTON.. NOT AGAIN!

A vote for Tancredo is a vote FOR Tancredo. If your candidate fails to muster enough votes to win, then it's not because I voted for a superior candidate, but that your candidate failed to earn my vote.

If Dean wins, then at least bad laws will stop being passed, since a divided government produces gridlock, and that's better than the current foot race between the dims and RINOs to more socialism.

[carlo3b]

since a divided government produces gridlock, and that's better

Fair enough, you are an honest liberal or part of the same mentality that would, to prove the point again, lose everything..  Either way I have little or nothing in common with you except the future.. I'll do what I can to see that you don't prevail. But I do wish I could change you mind..

Thanks,  now I understand.. I have to get busy in the real world .. talk to you later.. :)

[Jim Cane]

Thanks, now I understand..

I don't think you do or you'd join me in supporting a real Conservative like Tancredo.

[jellybean]

Before this escalates any further, I'll tell you that I am occupied personally, and have no interest in any other relationships. I think it would be healthier for you to find something else to do with you time, or seek a friend more accessible. Have you thought about getting a dog to keep you company..

Hmmmm...interesting...

I thought Hon was a he, but could be a she and is using one of the oldest tricks in the book. Feign contempt in order to gain the attention of the object of their affection.