Turning Muslim in Texas

BBC TV Channel 4 web site ^ | Jan. 10, 2004 | BBC TV Channel 4

[johnb838]

I was really talking about the author of the article when I said Moron, but it seems to apply to you nicely as well. Don't presume to lecture me about what being a CHRISTIAN means you infidel. I'm just saying there have been no 400,000 converts to I-slam in Texas since 9-11. I dispute that point. PArticularly when stated by the leftist euro-pee-on bbc.

[johnb838]

My understanding is that there IS no definitive version of the queer-an like there is of the bible. No dead sea scrolls, no historical evidence. Hell, Moohumid (death be upon him) may not have existed at all.

[JeepInMazar]

Ok, thanks for the clarification about who you were refering to when you used the word "moron" the first time.

I was really talking about the author of the article when I said Moron, but it seems to apply to you nicely as well.

Why do you say that? Your attitude demonstrates very little attempt at understanding my point or communicating your point effectively.

Don't presume to lecture me about what being a CHRISTIAN means you infidel.

Why do you say I am an infidel? What reasons bring you to this conclusion? Why do you say I would lecture you about being a Christian? I have merely pointed out that your use of the term "moron" against me and now the use of the word "infidel" when you know nothing about me has nothing to do with the attitude of Christ.

[JeepInMazar]

The BBC probably got their statistics from CAIR, or some other similar group. They have exaggerated the number of Moslems in the U.S.

I agree.

[johnb838]

You still skirt the point. The article is false. Propaganda. Garbage. There is no muslim conversion wave going on in Texas. Period. If there is, show me the documentation. And the fantasies of some BBC dude don't count.

[RightWingAtheist]

It depends. There are "fundamentalist Marxists" who go back to the original texts of Marx and Engels, and claim that true communism as envisioned by Marx has never actually happened (a lie, of course). There are atheists who think the very word of Noam Chomsky is gospel. And there are secular humanists who seemingly take every word of the Humanist Manifesto as gospel as well (and, hypocritically, are usually the first to accuse capitalists of 'market fundamentalism', when they place unquestioning faith in the perfectibility of people and governments).

These share all of the same characteristics of theistic fundamentalism-blind, unquestioning faith, based on the literal interpretation of ideas instead of any basis in fact, and yet vague enough to resist being refuted in the face of overwhelming evidence. Now do you all see where I was coming from when I said all forms of fundamentalism are the same?

[JeepInMazar]

You still skirt the point. The article is false. Propaganda. Garbage. There is no muslim conversion wave going on in Texas. Period. If there is, show me the documentation. And the fantasies of some BBC dude don't count.

Ok, you finally made your point clearly. I agee with you! I wasn't skirting the issue but missing your point when I misunderstood you calling me a moron and then an infidel!

There is no reason for name calling, however, even if I disagreed with you!

On the other hand, there are Americans who convert to Islam and the value of the article is to point that out even though it is not happening on as large of a scale as the Muslims or the BBC would lead us to believe. That is my only point. For Christian pastors in America to hide from that reality makes no sense to me. Some people in our churches are attracted to Islam, period. The church should try to do a better job at retaining such people but they can't if they deny the issue.

[highlander_UW]

My understanding is that there IS no definitive version of the queer-an like there is of the bible. No dead sea scrolls, no historical evidence. Hell, Moohumid (death be upon him) may not have existed at all.

I'm sure Muhammad existed...there is quite a legacy of death in his name as well as a fair amount of written evidence of his life.

Muslims claim he wasn't literate, and therefore, the Quran was written down in various bits over a many year period of time. There are more than 1 version of the Quran, contrary to Muslim claims to the contrary, and there are also issues, such as the "Satanic Verses" made famous in the West by Salman Rushdie. The essence of those is Muhammad thought he was possessed by Satan. One can imagine why that wouldn't be a popular bit to leave in the Quran.