Immigrant Realities

WSJ ^ | January 9, 2004

[azhenfud]

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

It's under the "ENFORCEMENT" title. The INS won't because they have no court order to do so.

You file the suit against felons who harbor, aid, and abet Illegaliens, the court system handles the case(s). If civil penalties levied by the courts aren't enough to halt violators' actions, the defense costs in the legal system and bad publicity should bring some attention. The IRS gets involved because knowingly hiring an Illegalien is sufficient grounds for knowledge of filing fraudulent documentation - and if they've ever once filed or paid taxes of any sort on even one Illegalien, the "employers" are subject to racketeering and fraudulent tax filing charges. Big consequences, as there are hefty penalties for each incident of which they're guilty.

You can help these become "LEGAL" and stay that way. If you could, you'd do it for any other felon, wouldn't you?

The requirements of proof are minimal too. I got this from another website:

"Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred."

[FredTownWard]

Well, people could always risk sending cash. But I fail to see how American wiring companies would "lose money to someone else." Do you mean wiring companies outside of the USA? How would people here get their money there?

I mean they would lose the fees they charge people to wire money if a tax drives their customers to alternative methods of sending money.

[azhenfud]

"I am all for the 2000 mile wall."

We could always employ Illegaliens to build your wall. ;-)

[Admin Moderator]

Lose the tagline.
Thanks.

[pogo101]

I understand what you meant. And I am asking what alternative means of sending money you have in mind, other than sending wads of cash through the mail. I can't think of many.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Like it or not, we are a nation of laws where criminals are not rewarded.

Except for illegal drinkers after Prohibition was repealed, illegal speeders after the speed limit was raised

Oh I see, since a some of our own legal citizens may have skirted some infractions, it's OK with you that our country is being *flooded* with people entering our country illegally, by the millions?

LOL! Thanks for the belly laugh.

[JAT_Nobleblood]

THEY'RE CRIMINAL MONEY GRUBBING SCUMBAGS!

by H. Millard (c) 2002 -- 8/1/02

Geez, I swear I'm going to bust a blood vessel if I hear or see one more elite yuppie politician with a sissy hairdo and wearing an expensive three piece suit say that illegal aliens should be given free medical care, free schooling, free this and free that, and that we should make them all legal residents of the U.S. Screw that!

Illegal aliens are money grubbing scumbags. They're here for the money. They've broken our laws and have snuck into this country to steal money, in one way or another, from good, decent American citizens. They're stealing entry level jobs. They're stealing medical care. They're stealing schooling. They're stealing food given to them by charities. They're stealing the American future and the American way of life and are getting rewarded for their ongoing criminal trespass of this nation, by elite yuppie politicians.

How many times do we have to tell the elite yuppies that illegal aliens are illegal? How many times do we have to put up with elite yuppies who swig from their latest designer water bottle and sniff the latest meaningless cliché such as "We're all humans" ? Yeah? So What? This is our country. We're the humans in possession of this land. Those other humans have their own damn country. Let them stay there and build it as we have built this one. We don't need their labor. In fact, their labor is causing our own people to have fewer children to fill entry level positions. This is causing our people to die off through attrition while being replaced by illegal aliens.

Give this dynamic a few years and the few remaining legal U.S. citizens will be old and decrepit and demanding even more illegal aliens to take care of these U.S. citizens in their old geezer homes. Even now, we're seeing some numb nut U.S. citizens looking at public schools full of the children of illegal aliens and then demanding more money for the schools for "our children." Our children? Hey, morons, they're not our children. They're the children of Mexico and points south! Why in the hell are you doing demanding our tax money to support the children of Mexico?

The United States is on a path to destruction as it is rotted out from the inside by parasites who are sucking the very life force out of this nation, and who are replacing American citizens in all niches of our society.

Remember that corner store that used to be owned by Bob Jones? He died. He had no kids. The store is now owned by Pablo Rodriquez who is an illegal alien who doesn't speak English. He has seven kids. They're all in the school that you're paying for. He doesn't make much money at the store, and he doesn't have medical insurance. You're paying for his family's medical care. He doesn't have insurance on his car. If you're involved in an accident with him, you're going to pay. He also gets free food and free clothes from the charities. Because of all these freebies, Pablo can sell his products cheaper than a store owned by an American citizen who has been taught since birth to act responsibly and not be a burden on others. The American citizen's business is suffering. He can't compete with the underground economy nature of businesses like Pablo's unless he rethinks his relationship to society and takes advantage of the system like Pablo is doing.

Please don't waste my time with silly arguments about how illegal aliens are "Just looking for better lives for themselves and their families." Bank robbers are just looking for better lives for themselves and their families, too.

Also, please don't waste my time with absurd talk about how we're a nation of immigrants. Every damn nation is a nation of immigrants until the people in that nation say that enough is enough. In the U.S. today, enough is enough.

Where in our U.S. Constitution is it written that American citizens have to bend over and grab their ankles and let this nation be destroyed by criminals who are flooding this land with the tacit approval of effete elite yuppie apologists who, by the way, often live in guarded gated communities far away from the destruction that they are enabling?

American citizens need to get angry and they need to be smart enough to see through the phony arguments of the elite ruling class that is helping with the destruction of this nation. Then they need to vote out the jerks and vote in some people who will put the interests of American citizens above the interests of illegal aliens, big business bosses, big union bosses, big political bosses, and big charity bosses who don't care where the warm bodies come from so long as they come in large numbers so these evil doers can feather their nests.

The U.S. is like a wood house that is infested with termites. If the termites aren't stopped, the house will eventually fall. How close are we to that fall? Check the stock market. Check the hospitals that are closing. Check the war fever against Iraq that is building in the administration. These are warning signs to those with the intelligence to understand.

[JAT_Nobleblood]

RAPING LADY LIBERTY!
by H. Millard (c) 2002 - Posted May 10, 2002
Emma Lazrus' sonnet, the New Colossus, inscribed at the base of the Statute of Liberty reads, in part: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
It does not read: "Give me your murderers, your robbers, Your filthy masses of criminals looking for suckers to victimize."
It does not say, "Come and rape me and destroy this nation." It does not say, "You have a right to come this country." It does not say, "What is written here, in 1883, shall always remain the case." It does not say, "America has no choice but to accept anyone who can sneak into the country." It does not say, "American citizens have no right to national self-determination."
In 1883, when Emma Lazarus wrote the New Colossus, automobiles were still ten years in the future. The airplane was still twenty years away from being invented. The U.S. population, according to the census of 1880, was approximately fifty million.
Today, the automobile and its progeny carry millions of people back and forth between the U.S. and other nations. The airplane that went a few hundred feet when it was invented in 1903 and only carried one man, has now turned into vast fleets of massive people movers that easily carry 200 to 300 people to our nation from Third World countries thousands of miles away. The population of just one state, California, is now about thirty-five million.
What might have been a nice sounding sentiment in 1883 is no longer so nice. That was then. This is now. Lady Liberty's dress is bursting at the seams.
It's time we, as a nation, grew up and realized that Lady Liberty is being raped by criminals who are sneaking into this country while we sit around hugging each other, singing kumbaya, and getting misty eyed over an 1883 sonnet.
It's time we told the yuppie whack jobs with the low I.Q.'s who are ruining this country by packing it with a permanent and growing underclass, that maybe they should hitch up their bloomers, hop in their hay wagons, and ride down to the general store to buy a sarsaparilla. If they can't do that, then they can take their friggin' sonnet from 1883, and stuff it.
And, please, don't give me that slack-jawed inanity that "We're a nation of immigrants." EVERY NATION is a nation of immigrants. The smart nations know when enough is enough. It's time the U.S. got smart.
This isn't 1883. We're full. Stay in your own nations and develop them. Don't do us any favors by coming here.

[Joe Hadenuf]

American citizens need to get angry and they need to be smart enough to see through the phony arguments of the elite ruling class that is helping with the destruction of this nation.

You bet. Some are a little slow to realize they are being drop kicked down the stairs...

[FredTownWard]

Oh I see, since a some of our own legal citizens may have skirted some infractions, it's OK with you that our country is being *flooded* with people entering our country illegally, by the millions?

"Some", Joe? I was just pointing out that several times in our history when the number of people violating a given law got so large that it couldn't be enforced, the law was changed "rewarding" the lawbreakers. So this is nothing new, and thus not a particularly persuasive criticism of Bush's proposal.

[FredTownWard]

I understand what you meant. And I am asking what alternative means of sending money you have in mind, other than sending wads of cash through the mail. I can't think of many.

Professional "money launderers" do it all the time for other "clients". This could give them a whole new client base, which presumably was not your intended consequence.

[alloysteel]

Not a wall. Dig a sea-level canal from Brownsville, Texas to Chula Vista, California, wide and deep enough so two supertankers can meet and pass at any point between the two terminals.

Then any Mexicans who can get in will truly be wetbacks. And we will have a replacement for the Panama Canal, plus vastly increasing the number of seaports we would have available in West Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona.

What the heck, we could offer preferential hiring to Mexican nationals, and keep them tied up there building the canal for several years. Then they won't have time or opportunity to spread northward throughout the rest of the country.

[Joe Hadenuf]

So this is nothing new, and thus not a particularly persuasive criticism of Bush's proposal.

Huh? Nothing new?

Since when in our history has literally millions of illegal aliens poured into our country? There are hundreds of thousands entering every few months!

A government that cannot or will not control it's borders and sovereignty from millions entering illegitimately, will itself eventually become illegitimate. Bet the rent.

It's time to get up, the alarm went off.

[Stop Legal Plunder]

We need to hold our government figures accountable when they use the dishonest use of the term "undocumented worker."


Many illegals don't work and many that do work don't pay taxes. And those that do work and pay taxes -- the minority -- don't pay enough into the system to come close to covering the services they receive (free schooling for their kids, free emergency room service, etc.) Such people are freeloaders not honest "workers."

"Undocumented" is also not the issue. These days many criminal aliens are documented with the Mexican consular card. Such documentation shouldn't be accepted.


Bush and company need to say "illegal alien" or "criminal alien". If they refuse to use honest language to describe the problem then how can we trust them to be honest about their proposed solutions?

[pogo101]

Okay, but it's my limited understanding that money launderers will charge subSTANtially more than 3%. I'm not sold.

Bear in mind that my proposal of a wire-transfer tax is not something based essentially on principle (e.g., that wire transfers to Mexico are inherently bad, or that we need the revenue, etc.). It's a "stick," and a tiny one at that, with which to hit the Mexican government, to urge it to cooperate with us in making key reforms so that so many thousands of its subjects don't flee each year into America FROM Mexico.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I think it's clear. You can't trust them.

[My2Cents]

Sharon....This is the editorial I emailed you about. Be sure to read.

[My2Cents]

The WSJ editorial is a balanced response to the President's balanced proposal. It's interesting that those who oppose Bush's initiative the most vociferously are those on the extremes -- those on the right whose practical solution to illegal immigration seems to be to machine-gun anyone who dares to step across the border, and those on the left who think the entire concept of "citizenship" is oppressive in and of itself and who think foreigners should be able to live here without any effort to actually become "Americans."

[My2Cents]

You know something? That's a great proposal! I like it.