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Is al Qaeda recruitment of U.S. vets linked to OKC?
Intelwire.com ^ | 1/9/2004 | J.M. Berger

Posted on 01/09/2004 6:26:07 AM PST by JohnBerger

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To: cibco
Oh, I know: the Clinton connection is probably the ONLY thing that gives much credence to the Islamic/AQ/Iraq connection. Honestly, I don't think if that had happened under Bush, there would be quite the same "paranoia" over other groups being involved.
61 posted on 01/09/2004 10:01:19 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
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To: LS
The Clinton's seemed to attract paranoia and suicidal friends.
62 posted on 01/09/2004 10:15:05 AM PST by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: LS
AQ NEVER claimed credit for this; that none of the people we've arrested ever made reference to it

1) Mahmud Abouhalima, one of Hampton-El's coconspirators in New York, quoted in a prison interview from the book "Terror in the Mind of God":

"(The Oklahoma City bombing) was done for a very, very specific reason. They had some certain target, you know, a specific achievement. (...) They wanted to reach the government with the message that we are not tolerating the way you are dealing with our citizens. (...) If these guys, whoever they are, did whatever bombing they say they did in Oklahoma City, (he goes on to a political statement justifying the morality of killing in terrorism....)"

2) After seeing the OKC bombing on TV, al Qaeda operative and Yousef associate Abdul Hakim Murad told prison guards "We did that. The Liberation Army" on April 19 and repeated the claim to the FBI on April 20. The Liberation Army is the name under which Yousef claimed credit for WTC 1993. From "1000 Years for Revenge," Peter Lance, based on FBI 302 interrogation of Murad.

Those are just two 100% documented examples. And we have no idea what Khalid Shaikh Mohammed et al are saying since they're locked far away from human contact.

"There's no physical proof. Not one single piece of physical evidence to support the notion that UFOs have landed."

There's enough circumstantial evidence to keep digging, which is all I have ever claimed. I have some very definite ideas on where to find the physical evidence and I am in the process of obtaining the documentation I need. I assure you that if and when I do, y'all will be the first to know.

Meanwhile, I only claim that there is a reasonable basis to keep investigating this. I begrudge no one who wants to wait for the proof. I'm waiting for it myself.

By the way, the original story on my site about the Gulf War recruitment program involving the Saudis is a story of major importance on its own, without the OKC angle, and that story is fully documented.

jmb

63 posted on 01/09/2004 10:23:54 AM PST by JohnBerger (http://www.intelwire.com)
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To: JohnBerger
I agree, keep digging. I also have seen a story with an Iraq link, and we should keep digging there, too.
64 posted on 01/09/2004 10:27:53 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
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To: JohnBerger
The fourth 9/11 plane was allegedly planned for the White House.

I think the latest information is that its target was the Capitol. But that, of course, is also a government building.

65 posted on 01/09/2004 11:04:39 AM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
I saw something as late as August 2003 saying Abu Zubaydah had confirmed the White House, but you're right, the Capitol has also been mentioned.

There have been a few reports that British Airways 223, which has been delayed or canceled several times in the last week or two, was being targeted for a White House attack over the 2003 holiday season, but I *think* those reports were all anonymous sources as I recall...

jmb
66 posted on 01/09/2004 11:24:11 AM PST by JohnBerger (http://www.intelwire.com)
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To: roses of sharon; fortunecookie
Jose Padilla
67 posted on 01/09/2004 12:31:12 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Freedom is a package deal - with it comes responsibilities and consequences.)
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To: LS
"no one can hold a secret like that"

I disagree. It happens all the time in cases where witnesses won't talk. (Look at Susan McDougal and Web Hubbell; they had a cushy life and yet they both chose to go to jail for awhile instead of telling what they knew).

Now, whether someone else, like one of the lawyers might reveal, is another story. Of course, they may know who McVeigh's accomplices are and they might be watching their backs also.

As I said, just an idea. I think it makes sense but there is absolutely no evidence for it.
68 posted on 01/09/2004 2:38:08 PM PST by webstersII
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To: JohnBerger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/682066/posts
69 posted on 01/09/2004 3:11:26 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Black and Red Terrorist Internationals by William F. Jasper

American neo-Nazis linking up with Hamas, Hezbollah, the PLO, and other Middle Eastern terrorist groups backed by Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Libya? A lot of people seem to have a hard time imagining such a union. They wouldn’t if they were familiar with the sordid history and geo-politics of international terrorism. The Black International, a terrorist network of former World War II Nazis and Fascists and their younger proselytes, operated throughout Europe during the 1960s and ’70s, with deadly effect. And it is still alive.

United by Hatred

Now, as then, the neo-Nazis cooperate with the Red International, the network of international terrorists funded, trained, supplied, and directed by Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, and other surrogate regimes of the communists, including a multitude of Middle Eastern terrorist organizations. A Black summit in Paris on March 28, 1970 helped launch a major drive to recruit white European youth for Yasir Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Prominent among those present was Jean Roberts Debbaudt, an ex-SS officer who placed his Belgian Rexist Party "totally and unconditionally at the service of the Palestine Resistance." Other such conferences followed, cementing the ties between the black shirts, the PLO, the IRA, and other terrorist elements. Colonel Qaddafi of Libya provided funding, arms, training, and sanctuary. Besides having a common statist philosophy and totalitarian world view, these miscreants are united by a burning hatred for Israel, the United States, Christianity, and "bourgeois" capitalist society.

At a Black summit held at the Rome Hilton in 1974, Qaddafi sent his prime minister, Ahmed Jalloud, loaded with money bags for the noble effort. The Libyan dictator was, at the same time, helping finance the Palestinian terror network in Paris run by the Venezuelan communist Illich Ramirez Sanchez, also known as Carlos the Jackal, whose main banker — and Soviet KGB control officer — was Antonio Dages Bouvier. Earlier, in 1971, millionaire communist Giangiacomo Feltrinelli, scion of one of Italy’s wealthiest families and a founder of Italy’s murderous Red Brigades, had met secretly in Switzerland with Valerio Borghese, Italy’s "Black Prince" of the neo-Fascist terrorists, to coordinate attacks on their mutual enemies: established democratic order, Israel, and Zionism. Franco Freda, the neo-Nazi-Maoist, who was later convicted and given a life sentence for the 1969 bombing of Milan’s Bank of Agriculture, held a rally and fundraiser in Padua to honor Yasir Arafat’s terror exploits.

German neo-Nazis who were also members of the PLO included Odfried Hepp and Udo Albrecht, both of whom also worked for the Stasi, the communist secret police of the former East Germany. During the Persian Gulf War, German neo-Nazi leader Michael Kuhnen, founder of the Anti-Zionist League, negotiated an agreement to provide Saddam Hussein with 100 neo-Nazi troops. He died before he could fulfill that contract, but French neo-Nazi leader Michael Faci stepped in to recruit an unknown number of "storm troopers" to fight for Iraq.

Gary Lauck, a rabid racist from Nebraska known as the "Farm Belt Fuehrer," who was arrested and convicted in Germany for smuggling banned Nazi propaganda to neo-Nazi groups in that country, is reported to have frequent contacts with Middle Eastern terrorist groups. He also wrote a manifesto entitled "Strategy, Propaganda, and Organization," filled with Marxoid dialectical drivel and calls for the integration of militant extremist groups worldwide into a global terrorist network.

Links to the OKC Bombing

Lauck’s friend, former Oklahoma Ku Klux Klan factotum Dennis Mahon, appears to have attempted to put that plan into practice. Mahon, a frequent visitor to the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho, was also an habitue of the Aryan Nations sister community in rural eastern Oklahoma known as Elohim City. The Marxism-spouting Mahon admits to being closely associated with the Aryan Republican Army bank robbers and to admiring the IRA terrorists. He boasts of his connections to Saddam Hussein’s intelligence service and admits to having been in its pay, beginning during the Persian Gulf War, when he organized several rallies for Iraq. During an interview with a Brazilian television crew, Mahon unrolled and proudly held up a poster of Yasir Arafat, reportedly one of his heroes.

Mahon also admits his close friendship with German soldier Andreas Strassmeir, whom Tim McVeigh telephoned at Elohim City before the Oklahoma City bombing. It is Mahon and Strassmeir who Carol Howe, the "key" informant for the FBI and ATF at Elohim City, insists are the prime suspects in the OKC bombing. Strassmeir, who was living in the U.S. illegally, was spirited out of the U.S. through Mexico several months after the bombing by attorney Kirk Lyons, a legal activist for racists and militant national socialists. On July 13, 1997 the Dublin Sunday Times reported that Strassmeir had moved to Dublin and was associating with Sinn Fein, the political arm of the IRA. Earlier, informant Carol Howe had reported that Strassmeir had received detonators for the OKC explosive charges from his IRA blasting buddies. Completely independent of Howe, federal informant Cary Gagan had stated (in July of 1995) that he had met in Mexico City with his Middle Eastern bombing co-conspirators — and a "former" member of the IRA who was providing expertise and detonators for the planned bombing operations in the U.S.


70 posted on 01/09/2004 3:58:42 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: JohnBerger
I don't have time for a rebuttal at the moment, but I fully intend to get back with you on this one.
71 posted on 01/10/2004 4:02:13 PM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
I'm not really interested in getting into a spitting match. The only point I wished to make with that posting was that I don't pull my statements out of thin air as you flatly accused.

Whether or not you agree with my conclusions, anything I say is based on research drawn from credible sources. My postings and writings elsewhere are amply sourced.

jmb
72 posted on 01/10/2004 5:40:07 PM PST by JohnBerger (http://www.intelwire.com)
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To: JohnBerger
I'm not really interested in getting into a spitting match.
Neither am I.
I'll bother you no more.
73 posted on 01/11/2004 5:28:07 AM PST by philman_36
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