Saddam and 9/11

Frontpage Magazine ^ | 1/8/2004 | Jamie Glazov

[Peach]

ha. You've just proven my point by asking that question. You haven't read any of the links.

There are at least two books on OKC and literally thousands of articles in the local Oklahoma press that make reference to the same matters as the people you have continued to deride.

The book The New Jackals, as I've told you a few times now, also makes mention of these matters.

I guess in your view though if one if a writer and, gasp, actually takes filthy lucre for their efforts and years of investigation, then their work is automatically tainted and easily disregarded by you.

Regardless, John. As I said - just by asking the question you posed you have proven once again you have not read the links provided.

[JohnGalt]

The McVeigh trail was in Colorado though and I only found articles that related to the Nichols trial.


My view is that if a writer has her ideas endorsed only by her co-workers, it's akin to what is called in history and journalism a circular reference. If she gets paid to pontificate on certain issues and the government and the larger media rejects the idea, the author has to invent a conspiracy theory in order to keep getting paid to expound on their set of ideas-- think about those hucksters who go around saying you don't have to pay your income tax because of blah-blah-blah...

Its quite different from stories like Mena Airport that originated on the Left but were reported by both sides of the ideological 'publishing' divide, thus making it a more plausible story when seperate sources reach similiar conclusions.

[jpl]

I'm well aware of the notion of 9/11 and all the various other attacks as blowpack, payback, whatever term you prefer to use. The problem is that the notion is a bunch of hogwash. Anyone who pays any attention knows that the radical Islamists have declared a jihad against all societies that don't conform to the Sharia law, including Hindu India, the non-Muslim parts of Indonesia, secular Russia, etc. Our intervention abroad and support for Israel happens to give them a convenient tailor-made excuse, but these people have no trouble coming up with any kind of bugaboo to fit any situation, no many how far back into history they have to reach.

For the record, I'm against women in combat and I support sealing the border shut. The border will never be sealed shut because the elites and the employers benefit far too much from an endless heavy supply of cheap labor. If they didn't get the tangible benefits, the border would have been sealed shut years ago. Sadly, for many rich people, pinching pennies takes a higher precedence than the good of the country as a whole.

As for sending women to be killed and mutilated in combat, as a Christian Mr. Bush really should be ashamed of himself for doing this, but he's pandering for votes right now and doesn't want to risk alienating anyone, which is the new way of politics.

[hobson]

When I read your post I suddenly thought about the sketch of John Doe 2 and Jose Padilla. I searched around and found that I am completely uninformed about this topic. (very embarrassing)

Anyway, here is what I found: Uncanny Resemblance Between Mysterious Oklahoma Bombing Suspect 'John Doe Number 2'

[JohnGalt]

Just a suggestion, but you need to stop wasting your time posting with fringe types like myself, and start engaging the Mainstream Rightists who could use some help framing the argument as you just did. I have given up on any political solution; I just like stumbling across fellow Old Rightists in a hostile environment-- it passes the time anyway. I am not sold on your transition, but I respect your ability to communicate with your rightwing brethren in this post.

I am unclear how are tactical disagreement (you favor foreign wars as the priority, I favor closed borders, small government and an armed citizenry) spills into defending Mylroie other than to believe with my prejudices that you are not entirely sold on the 'why we fight' line--a case of thou doth protest too much.

[Peach]

So thousands of articles in the Oklahoma papers, written by different reporters from around the country oftentimes, means nothing. Administration official's words mean nothing. Clinton terrorist czar official's words mean nothing. Authors of several books words mean nothing.

You've made your position clear, John. It's absence of logic is evident, but your position is clear.

We will have to agree to disagree.

After you've read a few books about the topic and really shown a desire to learn, you will change your mind.

[ex-Texan]

Thanks for posting this report. Laurie Mylroi is a hero in my book. There are over 125 reports linking Saddam directly with 9-11 and al Qaeda Posted Here. Also a new photo of the Butcher of Baghdad being captured and a link to view a military video of his capture.

[jpl]

I favor closed borders, small government and an armed citizenry.

As I said before, I favor closed borders, and I also favor the idea of a much smaller government. I've just about come to the conclusion that we won't get either one with anything short of a violent revolution, and that's just not going to happen in the current political and cultural climate. I also very much favor an armed citizenry. I have a firearm myself, but exactly how are you going to force the average modern feminized male to arm himself, especially in the modern litgious society? Even if it weren't for the ubiquitous ambulance-chasers, a lot of guys today would run in the other direction screaming rather than personally intervene if they saw a rape taking place before their eyes.

Politics is the art of the possible, and like it or not, you simply have to try and work within the framework of what you've got, and we don't have much right now. If we can't get any of the things you mentioned, I'll settle for destroying our enemies before they destroy us.

[JohnGalt]

I understand, that is why I offered my two cents.

I have given up on a political solution, but I do not believe taking up arms is the answer or the only option. I believe some mechanisms retired in 1865 can be resurrected just like 'Impeachment.'

I do believe, in the meantime, exposing the villains of the Republic, which include Mylroie's opportunism, is a useful exercise and I also happen to believe that we are best to have moral men in the executive office and Bush has many family oriented qualities that can be admired so he should be supported. I find the obsession to the point of hysteria over the lack of WMDs to be a fascinating thing to observe; even though I was against this war, I was shocked that they found absolutely zero; I had no idea the intelligence apparatus was as corrupt and incompetent as that.

[Peach]

There have been a few authors and reporters who have noted the resemblance as well.

You should not be embarrassed; you will notice the mainstream press (excepting Oklahoma City reporters) have ignored the resemblance and in fact ignored many facets of the investigation.

[JohnGalt]

This is a classic example of where Mylroie really screwed up.

John Doe #2 is Michael Brescia, at least that was the consensus of the rightwing press 7 years ago, before Mylroie, and later Jayna Davis and Timmerman tried to bring in an Arab connection, but it appears they had a seperate agenda.

JOHN DOE #2 IDENTIFIED; BUT CAN WE GET THE FBI TO ARREST HIM?

OKC figure busted in bank jobs By Mark Eddy Denver Post Staff Writer

Accomplices known to FBI Document provides evidence tying white racists to McVeigh

[Peach]

Your links are so lame I don't know where to start. Ambrose Pritcher? hahahha A no name link - I think it was the second one. Please.

#1: No where in those links does it show that Mylroi ever tried to get the government to believe that the white guy was John Doe #2. I don't know what you sent me that PROVES Mylroi screwed up. A few FBI types thought perhaps the white guy was John Doe #2.

#2: I was home sick the day of the OKC bombing and SAW the bulletin for John Doe #2 and he was, on that day, described as middle eastern. How does that rock your boat?

#3: A brief review of those links shows that the FBI arrested the white guy because he'd robbed banks before, not because of any firm evidence that he worked with McVeigh.

Really, John...

[justshutupandtakeit]

First of all the good Dr. is hardly "making money" off of these events since the sales of such books is very limited nor is she wrong about most of her contentions so that is an entirely bogus conjecture for you to make. Nor do you have any basis for claiming she is part of any "cover-up" with regard to Elohim City or Strassmeyer or anything else. Nor is she responsible for a Court allowing or disallowing evidence, testimony as you know. Jones also claimed there was a larger conspiracy involved at Oklahoma City but the judge wouldn't go there either. Is that Laurie's fault, too?

She is a knowledgeable and conscientious investigator and, if controversial conclusions are formed it in no way means she is a "phony" or unpatriotic. For for you to claim such absurdities does indicate an agenda on your part which likely includes undermining the President's foreign policies.

There is nothing "tin-foil hat" about the FACT that Iraq was involved in the WTC1 since one of the leaders immediately fled from NYC to Baghdad. Why was that? Just an irresistable airfare deal? It is also a FACT that Czech intelligence (and others) maintains to this day that Atta and Saddam's intelligence agent, Al-Ani, met in Prague prior to 9/11.

[Peach]

Several Congressmen want the investigation into OKC and the first WTC investigations re-opened.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/1678779

[JohnGalt]

You gotta be kidding me...you do know who Ambrose Evans Pritchard is don't you?

His resume is significantly more impressive to the Right than the Mylroie. He is one of our own, as opposed to an ideological interloping Clintonite like Mylroie.

The second link was to a story in the Denver Post, a newspaper, so I am unclear what your point is.


And your conclusion doesn't make any sense. Nothing proves anything of course but Mylroie interjected her theory of a Middle Eastern connection which allowed Michael Bresia to be downplayed. The reader will have to believe either fellow Rightwing journalists or a former government employee who wrote lurid tales about Saddam in the early 90s.

Ah yeah, you are welcome to not believe the Rightwing consensus on who John Doe #2 is, but again, this is a conservative web site.

[Peach]

One of several witnesses to McVeigh with a middle eastern man, called John Doe #2

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2001/06/09/john_doe/

[justshutupandtakeit]

Since Washington's Farewell Address is frequently totally misconstrued as to its meaning I wonder which false impression you are hanging your hat upon?

It is NOT a call to NEVER get involved in foreign affairs or an Isolationist policy. It WAS written to deter involvement with the French in European Wars as the Jeffersonians wished to do. Mainly it is a condemnation of Jeffersonians' foreign policies AND any thought of secession.

[JohnGalt]

"There is nothing "tin-foil hat" about the FACT that Iraq was involved in the WTC1 since one of the leaders immediately fled from NYC to Baghdad. Why was that? Just an irresistable airfare deal? It is also a FACT that Czech intelligence (and others) maintains to this day that Atta and Saddam's intelligence agent, Al-Ani, met in Prague prior to 9/11."

Tinfoil.

[JohnGalt]

LOL.

At least have the courage of your fellow travelers to say that George Washington's wisdom is "living" like the New Deal Conservationist that you are.

[Peach]

The Wall Street Journal wants an investigation into the '93 WTC bombing and the OKC bombing.

That makes Wolfowitz, Mylroi (Clinton's terrorism czar), several authors of books, hundreds of reporters from around the country, several overseas reporters, several Congressmen...the list goes on.

The Wall Street Journal article is linked on Jayna Davis's web site:

http://www.jaynadavis.com/story090502-wsj2.html