Illegal Alien Amnesty Plan-Wrong Place, Wrong Time; Statement by US English Chairman Mauro E. Mujica

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[jellybean]

if you had a few bucks you got in and blended, ASAP..

That is part of the problem. The illegals that are flooding the country are not assimilating. Most aren't interested in adopting our culture or becoming US citizens. We're the ones who are expected to learn their language to accommodate them.

Carlo, my dear FRiend, I love you to death, but I can't agree with you on this. Granting amnesty won't solve the problem, it will compound it greatly. What is now a flood will soon turn into a tsunami if this policy is implemented.

[carlo3b]

You come off like a southern plantation owner boasting about how well he treats his darkies.

Thanks Kevin.

[jellybean]

I don't need a servant to make my beds or clear my table for me. I don't need a peon doing my yard work and I'll gladly pump my own gas. We're not like the third world elites --- who never wash a dish or clean up after their own mess.

I'm curious. When you go to a restaurant, do you clean your own table when you're done? Do you go back and help the dishwasher wash your dishes? Do you sweep/vacuum/mop under your table when you're done? When you stay in a hotel, do you change your own sheets every day? Do you scrub the toilet, sanitize the sink and shower? Or do you leave your mess for someone else to clean up?

You obviously don't understand the difference between a hired staff in a restaurant or hotel and a personal servant.

[jellybean]

Your attempt to equate a good, decent man, who hired, trained and helped people improve their lives, to a slave holder is beneath contempt!

[FITZ]

As far as I know the restaurants I go to don't hire illegals to do slave work --- most of the time I see college age kids --- trying to work their way through college or getting started in life.

I don't believe in having an underclass to do these jobs which some of you believe are lowly jobs --- no job is lowly --- they are good for the middle class who are just starting out.

[FITZ]

When I studied in Mexico I didn't like what I saw --- they have very separate classes of people there --- based a lot on race. You never saw the college kids of the elites waiting tables or working in hotels ---- which was very common of the middle class here --- I waited tables myself paying my way through college --- and most everyone else was doing the same. I've lived where white middle class housewives would work part time cleaning motels for extra spending money --- to me there's nothing wrong with that ---- it's not like some separate class of exploited people needs to be brought in to do jobs because we suddenly think we're too good for those jobs.

[jellybean]

I work as a manager in a restaurant, so please don't lecture me about entry level jobs, college kids paying their way through... I'm very familiar with those scenarios. I work with these kids everyday. They're great kids!

You're the one who seems to consider it slave labor for an employer to hire people, pay them a fair wage and give them a chance to improve their lives. To your way of thinking, working in a restaurant or hotel is equivalent to being a slave.

[MissAmericanPie]

"As a legal immigrant from Chile"

And a first rate US American citizen I might add. When inviting the people of the world to come live with us in our home, this man is a fine example of the type of individual we want and need as part of the big American family. Law abiding and intent on being and living up to all the duties and obligations of being a contributing American citizen.

Citizenship should not be passed out like soap cupons or welfare checks.

[FITZ]

I consider it near-slave labor when someone figures people from the third world must be brought in because they will work for less wages than an American would and don't deserve the labor laws etc that Americans have. We don't need this kind of classist society --- I saw a lot of that in Mexico ---- where there is almost no middle class --- a lot of elitist attitudes about certain jobs. A white kid in Mexico wait tables?????? Unheard of.

[judgeandjury]

Hell until this issue was raised almost all of us came from someone that slipped in under the radar, after the 30's..

Now there you go again, just making stuff up.

[FITZ]

Anyhow I'm the one that thinks these jobs are good entry level jobs for American middle class types ---- apparently some believe that the middle class should never have to do these jobs. I would eliminate welfare and government financial aid to college --- you'd see plenty of available workers then.

[jellybean]

Look, I'm against this abomination of an immigration boondoggle as anyone. But I won't stand by while people attack a very good friend of mine by accusing him of being a slave owner and exploiting illegals!

Can you show me one statement Carlo made where he in any way denigrated those whom he employed? No you can't!! He only had praise for their work ethic and respect for their situation. You may consider that exploiting, I consider it being a decent human being.

[judgeandjury]

Yes I hired multitudes of workers that had SS numbers that I suspected may not have been their own.

Lawbreaker

[Commie Basher]

Impressive post carlo3b. Only one objection I have.

Immigrants, YES!

Illegals, NO!!

Whatever you're views on immigration, the above is a meaningless position, because it avoids the real issues. Think about it. If all you want is legal immigrants, then you can "solve" the problem by declaring every immigrant legal.

The real issues are: how do we define legal immigrant? What should the rules be? Should quotas be raised or lowered? Should immigrants be allowed to bring in entire families? Should deportation be enforced, even against the childen or illegals? Should deportation be enforced even after a person has been here illegally for 5 years, 15 years, 25 years? Etc.

Whatever anyone's views on immigrant, "Legal yes, illegal no" says absolutely nothing. It's just an easy way for politicians to duck the real hard questions. It's an attractive position, though, because you can complain about immigration without sounding racist or anti-immigrant.

[FITZ]

I believe we have a growing problem with welfare and generational welfare, we're incarcerating far too many inner city youths ---- why doesn't someone who pretends to care do some recruiting of these kind for those entry level jobs? All this immigration isn't helping those left behind in Mexico --- that country is falling apart more and more every day --- they need to stay home and build up that place. We need to provide jobs for Americans so that there doesn't need to be an ever growing welfare class and kids heading off to prison to spend their lives.

[FITZ]

You may consider that exploiting

And I do consider it exploiting if a certain class of people is paid less than legal wages and benefits or are told to shove off if they would like to have a raise --- because obviously one illegal can be easily replaced with another. Developing an economically desperate class in this country is plain wrong --- sure they make nice docile employees who demand nothing and cannot quite or expect what the average American expects --- time off, overtime pay, workman's comp but I'm against this.

[Commie Basher]

Bush is the best thing for America in a generation. ... He is a leader, a statesman, a man of heroic and epic deeds. ... another of a long line of courageous acts that absolutely humble his predecessor. ... Not just BRILLIANT - AWE-INSPIRING!

I never liked the Bushes, not any of them. I look at this Bush and see a conceited mediocrity, a snotty rich kid.

Heroic and epic deeds? What, traveling to Iraq with a small army of security to eat turkey inside a U.S. military compound, after they'd made Iraq safe for him?

Heroic, epic, brilliant, awe-inspiring ... Bush? To me at least, you sound like a man who's gone off his medication.

[jellybean]

why doesn't someone who pretends to care do some recruiting of these kind for those entry level jobs?

Carlo doesn't state it here, but he has done just that for former welfare recipients and single moms.

All this immigration isn't helping those left behind in Mexico

I agree! A better solution would be to put pressure on them to reform their government. Force them to provide incentives for their people to want to live and work there.

Instead of the US taxpayer picking up the tab for the services we provide to their citizens, we should send the bill to the Mexican government. If they don't want to pay up, we stop buying their goods and services. Soon enough they'll find a way to provide decent living conditions for their own citizens.

[jellybean]

And I do consider it exploiting if a certain class of people is paid less than legal wages and benefits or are told to shove off if they would like to have a raise

You must be talking about someone else, because if I remember correctly, Carlo said he paid between $8 to $12/hr. Now, I don't know where you live, but here in America the federal minimum wage is $5.35. Eight $/hr is far above legal wage and $12 is decent wages for the work performed.

[FITZ]

Where I live the federal minimum wage is only $5.15 an hour --- not only that --- in this town one third of the jobs pay exactly minimum wage --- only one third pay more than $10 an hour --- tell me an American won't work for $12 an hour ---- that is a plainly not true. You can't tell me that no one would get off welfare to earn $12 an hour with benefits and that Americans will only work for $30 an hour.