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Bush To Propose Immigration Law Changes
AP | 01-05-04 | AP

Posted on 01/05/2004 5:36:35 PM PST by Pubbie

Edited on 01/05/2004 6:05:54 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: A Citizen Reporter
WE ARE A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS

We are a nation of laws.

161 posted on 01/05/2004 9:27:17 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Sabertooth
"Bush tried to get Clinton's Section 245(i) Amnesty extended in the Spring of 2002."

OK, I'll bite, As you know, every issue thats been important to this president, he has taken his message on the road and asked the American people to support his agenda. Very much like he did with his Tax Cuts, Energy, War on Terror, Education, Forest Fire Protection, and drilling for oil in ANWAR.

Can you post a single road trip where Bush "pushed" for 245(i) ?, and please post the quotes, I've seen the official White House statement praising Congress for addressing the issue of 245(i).

I understand you live for these debates, and enjoy making condescending remarks to those who don't share your negativity, but believe it or not, you don't know what this administration will propose, and you can site your hypothetical predictions all you want, I will wait for the facts

162 posted on 01/05/2004 9:27:19 PM PST by MJY1288 (WITHOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS, LIBERALS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY !)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Clear as mud.
163 posted on 01/05/2004 9:27:27 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
If you sincerely believe that the federal government no longer represents the people, who do they represent?

Good question.

164 posted on 01/05/2004 9:28:41 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: oceanview
I can't even imagine a way to implement such a guest worker program. the ideal way would be to classify certain jobs as being eligible, and only allow guest workers to fill those positions. but how do you enforce that? who selects which jobs qualify? and once the guest worker enters the US, how do you prevent them from taking a job that's "not on the approved list"? how long before teams of immigration attorneys challenge the law, and some judge says that classifying only certain jobs for the guest workers violates the constitution, and opens everything up? it would be total chaos.

Agreed. And it will happen, the ACLU et al would be screaming discrimination, and would sue for equal access to all jobs in the workplace. Construction, assembly line, delivery jobs and I'm not talking pizza. Bush will alienate every blue color worker out there. I can't believe he is pushing this before the election.

165 posted on 01/05/2004 9:30:28 PM PST by moehoward
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; Luis Gonzalez; Poohbah
Yeah, it's interesting. The same claims that come from the likes of Sam Francis, VDARE, and that ilk were made long ago. Yet did the country collapse? Nope, if anything, the country came out of it a lot stronger.

We have some problems in immigration law, and they should be fixed. We should be making it easier for decent folks to come in, and I certainly have no problem with bringing back the bracero program. We didn't have real illegal immigration problems until we killed it in 1965.
166 posted on 01/05/2004 9:30:37 PM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
It's about illegal immigration, there is a difference.

It doesn't matter anymore. It's party over country, it's party over law, it's party over the constitution.

167 posted on 01/05/2004 9:31:02 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
How did you arrive here, Joe?
168 posted on 01/05/2004 9:31:27 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: MJY1288
Agreed.
169 posted on 01/05/2004 9:31:49 PM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: SevenDaysInMay
enabling the swarms of criminals to degrade our standards of living, harm our environment,

I hope he doesn't legalize these guys --- let them keep coming and going as they please. Some of these criminal gangs are getting very bold. They're real nuisances:

Anapra gang linked to thefts

Daniel Borunda
El Paso Times
Jan 5, 2004
http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20040105-64769.shtml

Traveling under the cover of darkness and using a series of arroyos, desert trails and drainage ditches nicknamed the "highway," groups of burglars from Anapra, Mexico, have struck in West El Paso in recent months, police said.

The burglaries have largely stopped since increased efforts by the Border Patrol, but police continue to find undocumented crossers committing crimes in parts of El Paso near the border.

Police intelligence suspected some of the West Side burglars possibly belonged to a violent Anapra street gang involved in the beating of two FBI agents during a 2002 train robbery sting in Sunland Park, according to the November newsletter of the police Westside Regional Command Center.

"They told us they were here (in El Paso) for (the) purpose to score some cash," said Officer Henry Slack Jr. of the West Side Tactical Gang and Special Ops Unit, which interrogated some of the burglars who were arrested.

The pattern began on an October night when eight cars were burglarized in the 300 block of Waymore, said police, who found a trail of dropped stolen goods, such as CDs, leading from the neighborhood to arroyos and trails on hills between it and Interstate 10. Fingerprints at the scene were linked to a wanted Anapra man.

Police suspect the burglars used the Buena Vista bridge -- a bridge over Interstate 10 that "leads to nowhere" -- and drainage tunnels to cross over or under the highway.

The burglars were believed to have been on the U.S. side for six hours after crossing on the western edge of Mount Cristo Rey, where a border fence ends, according to police intelligence and analysis units.

On Nov. 27, three undocumented crossers were caught trying to steal electronic equipment and musical instruments from Roberts Elementary School in the Upper Valley, police said.

And in an unrelated case Dec. 5, police arrested three undocumented teenagers breaking into parked cars in the Lower Valley.

Daniel Borunda may be reached at dborunda@elpasotimes.com; 546-6102.

170 posted on 01/05/2004 9:33:14 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Joe Hadenuf
We are a nation of laws

Whew! thank God! I thought you were going to say we are a nation of cynics!

171 posted on 01/05/2004 9:33:17 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (HOW ABOUT rooting for our side for a change, you Liberalterian Morons!)
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To: hchutch
Agreed. It seems there are some folks who won't be satisfied with anything but their way on things.

So what's your way on things... gives millions of illegal aliens amnesty?

You might want to take a look at the polls, about 70 to 80% wants illegals deported and the laws enforced. If Bush were to do that he would make lots of people very happy. It's not just conservatives upset about massive illegal immigration.

172 posted on 01/05/2004 9:33:19 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: hchutch
Thank you!

A breath of fresh air my friend...

173 posted on 01/05/2004 9:35:13 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (HOW ABOUT rooting for our side for a change, you Liberalterian Morons!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
But you know it's not the American people, eh?

Poor little us, all forlorn, dejected, disenfranchised, victimized, ignored, oppressed, kicked and spat upon, were taken over by some foreign occupation army, sitting on the Washingtonian throne like the Vandals from Mexico City, starting another Dark Age in North America, where we have no political voice, no political will, no rights, no freedoms, humbled and enslaved by our new masters, all hopeless and despairing and utterly helpless we are as we eat the dirt they shove into our faces.

174 posted on 01/05/2004 9:35:25 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: A Citizen Reporter
We are a nation of LEGAL immigrants. Here's an example of how America was settled:
After the 30 Years War in Europe many German Protestants tried very hard to get to America, because in their homeland their homes were being burnt to the ground by Catholics. Some of these so-called Palatinates (Lutherans living in a Catholic area of Germany) were sent to Northern Ireland, because they were not allowed into America (this is when England decided who was allowed to emigrate to America). Others ended up in England and never made it here. Without LEGAL permission, they did not enter. It was that simple. That is what LAW abiding people do.
That is just the experience of one group of early American immigrants. Many more groups came here, but their stories all include the word LEGAL.
175 posted on 01/05/2004 9:36:50 PM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Bingo.
176 posted on 01/05/2004 9:37:14 PM PST by abigailsmybaby
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To: airborne
Your maternal grandmother was fortunate to get in. The current system is drastically skewed toward getting Asians with their extended families in, and of course allowing millions of Hispanics in illegally, then legitimizing their presence after the fact.

The system ensures that European immigration remains at a trickle compared to the Asian and Hispanic floods.

177 posted on 01/05/2004 9:37:54 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: txdoda
It would be a big *boo-boo* on AP's part........I also wonder why no other posters seem to be questioning this 'change' for mexico ONLY.

It's probably going to be a Bush "free for all" for the entire globe. I mean how could Bush only offer this to Mexicans only? That's not fair, so I'm sure the "plan" is to just speed up the incremental distruction of our sovereignty and offer up the country to who ever can get here.

178 posted on 01/05/2004 9:37:57 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Er, destruction......
179 posted on 01/05/2004 9:38:57 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
WE ARE A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS

We are a nation of laws.

How did you arrive here, Joe?

Legally. How about you?

180 posted on 01/05/2004 9:40:14 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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