A Plan to Save American Manufacturing

TradeAlert.org ^ | Wednesday, December 31, 2003 | Kevin L. Kearns, Alan Tonelson, and William Hawkins

[Willie Green]

He was NOT advocating "free trade". He was advocating revolution AGAINST capitalism.

You must mean the kind of domestic capitalism that the Bush Administration is undermining with drastic expansion of social Medicare benefits and managed, globo-corporatism.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: "The offshoring of our most advanced technology and manufacturing cannot honestly be compared to the decline of the buggy-whip industry. It is national suicide."

That is either not understood or it's in dispute by those who seem to admire the heroic workers of the people's democratic republic and, in fact do, disparage American workers.

Uncle Joe Stalin's heroic workers were also much admired here in the U.S. by some. But most in that generation understood that we were at war. Helping the USSR to become a true superpower beyond military was bad. What is happening today IMO is proving that generation's wisdom.

Was it hedgetrimmer (sp) who recently posted links and info on the internationalists' and their organizations' influence that's assisting in our "suicide?" There's more than one front in the war.

The chi-coms permit "capitalism" in parts of their country. That ain't capitalism. That's Lenin's New Economic Plan, chi-com version.

[hedgetrimmer]

Oh and don't forget, the WTO authorized themselves the ability to sue first world nations (us) on behalf of the third world countries we so 'abuse' and created an international court in addition to the international criminal court to do it. They can now sue us in this court and US taxpayer dollars will pay for the litigation against us.

Since we did not vote on this, and had no say in the creation of this court, it doesn't matter to them. Nor to the "free traders" who try to focus on a small, Constitutionally supported thing like tariffs, while the big things, like the loss of sovereignty and the creation of international courts for trade related matters, gets little or no discussion.

I can't think of anything more UN-american than so-called citizen advocation the wholesale transfer of our soveriegnty to a bunch of socialists. I can't think of a person with lower moral character than one who would support the WTO knowing it is an unConstitutional body, and knowing its goal is to destroy American borders, sovereignty and culture. Not one public debate has been held on this topic with the citizens, and not one citizen has been allowed a vote on the matter.

[hedgetrimmer]

Don't 'Stay stuck in time'. Swallow your SOMA like a good hive person and let the global elites completely control your economy. There there, you will only fall into deep poverty and your culture of self government will be destroyed. But thats ok because the global elites know much better than you about what is good for you.

[EGPWS]

I guess you didn't bother to read what I said about automation also being implemented offshore. Even the most sophisticated automation in the world doesn't operate totally unattended. But there's no sense trying to explain that to the intentionally ignorant.

Disregarding your malcontent statements, I do understand your reasoning for replying, for without an "anti-American system" response to your posts, it can be a personal issue which could lead to your personal frustration.

[hedgetrimmer]

Also, the OECD and the WTO promote an idea that the UN has been promigulating, they call it "lifelong learning". This concept is basically when there are no masters at any craft, but people who must be retrained over and over again based on the jobs the central planners think they must have. Nmh is a proponent of this idea. It is the roots of Goals 2000 and no child left behind, but that is another thread.

[blueriver]

No one is enslaved to only ONE kind of work.

Why should we be enslaved to have to change professions because a handful of globalizes want to destroy one profession after another? First it was the manufacturing jobs, so people were told to go into technology, now the technology jobs are going, so people are told to get into the services sector. So when will it end? What profession would you pick today? Most professions require a substantial investment of time and money. Most people work and gain experience at the profession they choose. You people that spout how easy it is to change professions are not being realistic. Most people can not afford to spend their lives getting different degrees in different fields. Do you know that a substantial number of engineering students are leaving this field because they know there will be no jobs when they graduate? Are we all supposed to become doctors and lawyers in order to survive?

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

If you really are going to start a ping list, please put me on any ping lists you decide to have regarding trade/job issues, desalination plants or mass transit. Happy New Year!

[ninenot]

"American companies invest in China, as they do in other countries, but the size of the investments are surprisingly small.

Sleight-of-statistics, here.

Since China usually builds the buildings and purchases the initial round of machinery, American FDI will not be large, even for sizeable plants.

Be aware (if you are not already) that the Nat'l Assn of Mfgrs is bi-furcated on this issue. The Fortune100 firms which contribute most of the cash are solidly behind offshoring; all the rest of NAM's members are virtually 100% opposed.

At this time, NAM officials are speaking for the Fortune100 types, albeit they are agonizing over it.

(Learned through private conversations.)

[ninenot]

Another suggestion:

The President should state that "offshore manufacturing interests of US-based companies will NOT be protected by US civil or military authority, nor will the US allow lawsuits in its Courts over disputes in offshore countries...nor will the US enforce damage collections awarded in offshore actions on behalf of companies engaged in substantial offshore manufacturing."

In other words, you wanna go there with the jobs--you no longer get our Army to back you up, nor our Courts to try your tort problems. Stuff it.

The exceptions, of course: petroleum, critical Defense-raw materials.

[nmh]

Why should we be enslaved to have to change professions because a handful of globalizes want to destroy one profession after another?

Change ALWAYS happens! It's ALWAYS been that way! It's not about globalization . That's just your hand scapegoat that allows you to avoid personal responsibility.

First it was the manufacturing jobs, so people were told to go into technology, now the technology jobs are going, so people are told to get into the services sector. So when will it end?

It won't end! Change is here to stay!


What profession would you pick today?

I've moved on from technology. I'm doing something else that fits me. The bigger question is what should YOU do? I can't tell YOU what to do. YOU need to determine that. Meantime, I'm doing just fine $$$.

Most professions require a substantial investment of time and money.

Not true. Tell that to Col Sanders who founded KFC. Look up Harland Sanders and see what he did. You're just looking for excuses.

Most people work and gain experience at the profession they choose.

Not necessarily.

You people that spout how easy it is to change professions are not being realistic.

No, you're lazy and looking for excuse on why you shouldn't CHANGE. It is REALITY that change happens. You're trying to avoid reality.

Most people can not afford to spend their lives getting different degrees in different fields. Do you know that a substantial number of engineering students are leaving this field because they know there will be no jobs when they graduate? Are we all supposed to become doctors and lawyers in order to survive?

Use the knowledge in another profession! GEESH! You make it sound like people are educated robots. If they are that way then it's no wonder they are at a loss since they are unable to THINK. Doctors and lawyers aren't all surviving. They too are changing.

Honestly, you really need to evaluate what skills you have and give the market what it wants of THOSE skills. People are CONSTANTLY reinventing themselves. Take Madonna. She can't sing worth crap - yet she constantly reinvents herself to what her audiance wants. She's not exactly a mental giant yet she makes more money than you'll ever make.

Stop being such a loser.

[ninenot]

Don't you feel more comfortable bashing the Pope on the other thread?

Still don't get the idea of 'solidarity' with countrymen, eh? Well, it's ok. About 1/3 of the colonists stayed with King George, and were perfectly happy to take advantage of the victory won by Washington.

Your kind has been around a long time. Parasites last forever.

[nmh]

"Don't 'Stay stuck in time'. Swallow your SOMA like a good hive person and let the global elites completely control your economy.

Huh? What on earth are you mumbling about? No "global elite" controls me! LOL! It is you who is not only "stuck in time" but unable to think rationally.


There there, you will only fall into deep poverty and your culture of self government will be destroyed. But thats ok because the global elites know much better than you about what is good for you.

LOL! I'm not in poverty now or will I be in the future. I don't let "global elites" dictate what I do for a living. The problem is you do and lash out at others who are part of your miserable lot.

[ninenot]

It occurs to me that NMH is some sort of accountant. They are the only profession I am aware of which thinks that human beings are ciphers on a spreadsheet--replaceable willy-nilly, and whose craftsmanship is utterly transferable from one business to another.

Most likely NMH would be a little uncomfortable, however, were we to suggest that the former tool-maker for Tupperware plastics has recently become the surgeon who will do NMH's brain-transplant.

See--some skills are just not so easily transferrable...especially when it comes to NMH's own personal concerns.

[nmh]

Oh and don't forget, the WTO authorized themselves the ability to sue first world nations (us) on behalf of the third world countries we so 'abuse' and created an international court in addition to the international criminal court to do it. They can now sue us in this court and US taxpayer dollars will pay for the litigation against us.

Really? And are you on something illegal? I think you've gone off the deep end on this one.

Since we did not vote on this, and had no say in the creation of this court, it doesn't matter to them. Nor to the "free traders" who try to focus on a small, Constitutionally supported thing like tariffs, while the big things, like the loss of sovereignty and the creation of international courts for trade related matters, gets little or no discussion.

The U.S. is still a sovereign country and not answering to some international court or international agreements of any kind. You do have one paranoid imagination though. Ever consider writing sci-fi?

I can't think of anything more UN-american than so-called citizen advocation the wholesale transfer of our soveriegnty to a bunch of socialists. I can't think of a person with lower moral character than one who would support the WTO knowing it is an unConstitutional body, and knowing its goal is to destroy American borders, sovereignty and culture. Not one public debate has been held on this topic with the citizens, and not one citizen has been allowed a vote on the matter.

This is so sick how does one respond? It's actually you who is advocating socialism and all the rest You accuse me of. Then again, I've been coming to the conclusion that those in your condition are not the brightest light bulbs out there ... and why you are so frustrated. You want to be enslaved to menial jobs and the same routine for the rest of your life even though it is not realistic. You are your own worst enemy along with CHANGE.

[nmh]

You must mean the kind of domestic capitalism that the Bush Administration is undermining with drastic expansion of social Medicare benefits and managed, globo-corporatism.


Social Medicare is a separate issue. Managed global corporatism - LOL! Only in the minds of the paranoid. If you insist on high salaries for jobs accomplished for less money elsewhere, by all means remain unemployed. Others are doing something else and doing quite well, thank you.

[nmh]

Genuine conservatives are well informed on issues of national policy and are actively engaged in promoting policy changes that benefit America First! in conformance with their conservative principles.

Conservatives are informed, no doubt about that and that is WHY they don't wallow in self pity and woe is me rants like you. They get on with it and rise to new challenges. They think beyond the box, unlike you.

"Move along" is a marxist mantra chanted by proponents of elitist, globo-governance.

Actually that is true of you. But you keep thinking you are something else - whatever makes you feel good!

[RightWhale]

The American Industrial Revolution pushed
America to the top of the heap very quickly after the Civil War. What else than industry does America have that would keep it at the top? Moral superiority?

[Russ7]

Wrong Mr nmh. It is the govt's responsibility to stop unfair predatory trade practices which results in driving the USA business out of business. It is usually a gov't sponsored company ie Japan's MITI working with the zaibatsu and keiretsu competing with US companies. The Keiretsu are organized to compete better than the US corporations. It's like were in an ass kicking contest with us having one leg tied behind our back. It's our gov't that sets the rules under which unfair competition kicks our butt.

[ninenot]

NMH, I think you are WORSE than an accountant--I now think you are a PRC plant.

Splains perfectly why you hate the RC Church AND Americans who are interested in America First.

Also explains why you dont have an FR about page. FR doesn't provide PRC flags...