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US confirms uranium seizure [Libya - German freighter...]
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Posted on 12/31/2003 5:04:02 PM PST by Sub-Driver

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To: Sub-Driver; Admin Moderator
I know it's not your fault, Sub-Driver, but that title is a steaming pile of BS. There was no "uranium" seized, it was uranium enrichment components. While the seizure of these components is certainly noteworthy, seizure of actual uranium would have been an earth shaking event.

Maybe we could ask admin moderater to alter the title to something more truthful.

--Boot Hill

21 posted on 12/31/2003 6:16:19 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill; Admin Moderator; Sub-Driver
Boot Hill: The TITLE is the TITLE.
22 posted on 12/31/2003 6:24:29 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Sub-Driver
the US-led Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI).


Not a lot of press on this, but the PSI thing is recruiting loads of world support quietly and effectively
23 posted on 12/31/2003 6:35:42 PM PST by mylife
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To: onyx
So if the article was about collecting belly button lint, but the title said the president had been assassinated, you'd have no problem with that?

--Boot Hill

24 posted on 12/31/2003 6:38:03 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
Get real.
25 posted on 12/31/2003 6:46:29 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: onyx
Take a dose of your own advice. The title wasn't just misleading, but vastly misleading. That the original article also had that same title is no defense to leaving it as is.

--Boot Hill

26 posted on 12/31/2003 6:50:16 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Sub-Driver
The German government, the French government, The United Nations (who just refused permission for US inspectors to participate in Lybia) and the Muslim nations of the world all have one common desire. The want to see an American city hit with a nuke and (so they believe) for the governmnet and economy of America to collapse for once and for all. It is very clear now which countries are capable of friendship with the United States and which are incapable.
27 posted on 12/31/2003 6:55:08 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Boot Hill; Admin Moderator
That the original article also had that same title is no defense to leaving it as is.

Yes it is!

We post articles here just as they're published. No title changes. Get over it.


28 posted on 12/31/2003 6:57:43 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Boot Hill
Maybe we could ask admin moderater to alter the title to something more truthful.

Maybe you could learn the rules at FR instead: we leave the titles like they are:


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US confirms uranium seizure
By Matthew Lee in Washington
January 1, 2004

THE United States today confirmed it had led an operation to seize uranium enrichment components from a German freighter headed for Libya that may have sealed Tripoli's decision to publicly renounce weapons of mass destruction this month.

"A ship was diverted based on intelligence it was carrying centrifuge parts in early October," State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters, calling it "a significant and important development".

He declined to discuss specifics of the operation - details of which were first reported in The Wall Street Journal and confirmed to AFP by senior US officials - but said it showed the value of the US-led Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI).

"What this incident shows is that the PSI is robust, producing results, fulfilling the mission for which it was intended," Ereli said.

PSI was launched by US President George W Bush earlier this year to prevent the spread of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.


Sixteen countries have now signed on to the program, which envisions seizing weapons of mass destruction, their components and delivery systems while in transit on the high seas, in international airspace or overland.

US officials said the October seizure had not involved boarding the freighter in international waters but rather that the ship had been diverted to Italian port where local authorities searched it.

The White House said Bush called Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi today to thank him for Rome's assistance in the global war on terrorism and especially in helping to stem the spread of unconventional weapons.

Ereli would not comment on whether the October seizure of thousands of centrifuge parts from the freighter had been the main impetus in convincing Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to give up weapons of mass destruction.

He noted that the seizure had occurred months after Gaddafi initiated secret talks with the United States and Britain on giving up such arms.

But he also pointed out that, shortly after the seizure, Libya had agreed to allow US and British experts to inspect its weapons facilities.

"After this diversion, there were certain actions that took place," Ereli said. "Was there a causality? I think one could argue that, but coming to a definitive conclusion about it is hard."

His comments mirrored what appears to be a division within the Bush administration about how much the seizure influenced Gaddafi in the run-up to his surprise December 19 announcement that Libya would give up its nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs.

One senior US official, speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity, said the confiscation of the components appeared to have sped up secret negotiations between the United States, Britain and Libya.

"This definitely had an impact," the official said. "I'm not a mind reader, but I am sure it had an impact on the Libyans. They knew we were on to them."

But another senior official cautioned that it was not entirely clear that the seizure had been the "only straw to break Gaddafi's back."

"Some argue that Libya wouldn't have come to the table if they didn't know we had the goods on them," said the second official, who, like the first, spoke on condition of anonymity.

"But others would say that bringing Libya on board was a painstaking and time-consuming process that involved a lot of things, including PSI," the official said.

The seizure of centrifuge parts has been hinted at in US and British news reports since December 21, but until The Wall Street Journal's story today, specifics of the previously secret operation had remained elusive.

While Ereli declined to go into detail, the US officials who spoke to AFP confirmed the Journal's account of the raid on the "BBC China" freighter, which is owned by the German firm BBC Chartering and Logistic GmbH.

According to those officials, US and British intelligence discovered in September that the ship carrying the centrifuge parts destined for Libya would be leaving from a port in a Gulf nation.

German authorities were then notified and shortly after the BBC China cleared the Suez Canal, they informed the shipowner, which then instructed the captain to change course for Italy, the officials said.

A US naval vessel shadowed the freighter as it passed through the Mediterranean Sea to an Italian port, where it was boarded and searched, yielding the centrifuge parts, the officials said.

The officials would not identify the equipment's country of origin, the Gulf nation from which the BBC China embarked, nor the Italian port where the search was conducted.

They also stressed the important roles played by British, German and Italian authorities in the seizure.

The Associated Press

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29 posted on 12/31/2003 7:02:26 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: onyx; Howlin
Nope, your hyper-font not with standing, onyx, nor your arrogant demand that I learn the rules, Howlin, Admin Moderator has the power to alter the title and has done so in the past when the orginal title was demonstrably false, as it is in the present case.

In any event, it is none of your business to tell AM what they can and cannot change. If they choose to respond to my ping, that's their business, not yours. If they choose not to, it's still none of your business. Until either of you become an AM or change your name to Jim Robinson, it's just none of your business.

Butt out. Both of you.

--Boot Hill

30 posted on 12/31/2003 7:26:58 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
Admin Moderator has the power to alter the title and has done so in the past when the orginal title was demonstrably false, as it is in the present case.

Actually, once again you prove your ignorance. The AM will, in fact, alter a thread title, but ONLY when it's been "revised" by a poster.

In any event, it is none of your business to tell AM what they can and cannot change.

Put the drink down. You've had enough. That is EXACTLY what you did, not us.

31 posted on 12/31/2003 7:46:45 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin
"Put the drink down. You've had enough."

If you want to act like a jerk by engaging in that kind of personal attack, then post to someone else. I am through with this discussion.

--Boot Hill

32 posted on 12/31/2003 7:53:18 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill; Howlin
Original, published titles are NEVER changed here.

Howlin is right: "put down that drink, you've had quite enough."
33 posted on 12/31/2003 7:56:22 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: onyx
You're wrong, AM has changed origninal articles titles in the past. If you don't believe it, then you can go search the FR archives for articles, not vanities, that got the infamous ZOT treatment. There are other examples, but you'll find the easy to find examples there.

But in any event, it is none of your business if AM decides to exercise that power here.

--Boot Hill

34 posted on 12/31/2003 8:03:06 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
I am through with this discussion.

You were through back at post #21, you just didn't know enough to stop digging.

35 posted on 12/31/2003 8:03:38 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Boot Hill
I will not waste my time searching archives. You are WRONG.
36 posted on 12/31/2003 8:06:19 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Boot Hill
Threads Come. Threads go. Take ten slow, deep breaths and relax!
37 posted on 12/31/2003 8:33:14 PM PST by shamusotoole
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To: JimSEA
The German government, the French government, The United Nations (who just refused permission for US inspectors to participate in Lybia) and the Muslim nations of the world all have one common desire. The want to see an American city hit with a nuke and (so they believe) for the governmnet and economy of America to collapse for once and for all. It is very clear now which countries are capable of friendship with the United States and which are incapable.

The bizarre behaviour of the French and Germans can perhaps be explained by the wish for America to get its comeupance. After all, Europe got it in WWII, not it's America's time.

38 posted on 12/31/2003 8:58:38 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Boot Hill; onyx; Howlin
I think posting the original title plus explanation in parenthesis might be appropriate. I agree the title is misleading.
39 posted on 12/31/2003 10:52:57 PM PST by staytrue
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To: onyx
onyx claims:   "Original, published titles are NEVER changed here."

To see how dead wrong you are and how silly your argument is, just look at the title from the very thread you are currently on:

NEWS.COM TITLE:   US confirms uranium seizure

FR TITLE:   US confirms uranium seizure [Libya - German freighter...]

There is no way that you can claim that the FR title has not been altered from the origninal News.com title. Certain types of title alterations are therefore clearly permitted, QED.

And this is all I ever asked AM for, an altered title so that it would reflect the actual event that occurred and not something so totally contrary to the facts, like the original title was. Something like the following would have sufficed to fix that egregious error and yet still remain perfectly within bounds:

US confirms uranium [enrichment components] seizure

How you ever got so hot under the collar about something so simple and obvious, I'll never understand. Maybe you thought I was blaiming Sub-Driver for the screw up, but if you'll read #21 again, you'll see that I expressed the very opposite sentiment to him.

--Boot Hill

40 posted on 12/31/2003 11:43:15 PM PST by Boot Hill
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