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How Illegal Aliens are Bankrupting and Disenfranchising the American Middle and Working Classes
A Different Drummer/Middle American News ^ | December, 2003 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 12/28/2003 10:49:51 AM PST by mrustow

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To: americanbychoice
If they use false soc.sec. numbers, it is only a short time before the Government kicks them back.

A short time? It's not so easy, I'm afraid:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1032040/posts

WRONG NUMBERS: SOCIAL SECURITY DOESN'T MATCH UP (BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS)

The Wall Street Journal | 28 November 2003 | Eduardo Porter

A government effort to distribute hundreds of billions of dollars of unallocated Social Security contributions is instead pushing many immigrants out of jobs, according to immigrant-rights groups. Furthermore, it isn’t solving the problem of where the money should end up. The Social Security Administration is trying to distribute money from its "Earnings Suspense File," comprising contributions that can’t be matched up with a proper Social Security number. That file mushroomed in the 1990s, fueled by a fast-growing work force of illegal immigrants using fake Social Security numbers to get jobs. By the end of the 2000 tax year, the file contained $374 billion.

In 1994, the agency began sending out "no match" letters warning employers that they had incorrect Social Security numbers on the payroll and should straighten out their files. Last year, the agency sent about 950,000 letters, each listing as many as 500 bad numbers. But according to a report by the University of Illinois at Chicago and several immigrants-rights groups, the agency has had little success in identifying owners of the misallocated funds. The suspense file has kept growing, by $30 billion in 1998, $40 billion in 1999 and $50 billion in 2000.

Instead, the report said, many employers have simply fired the workers targeted by a no-match letter. In other cases, unauthorized workers have quit after learning of the letters—fearful that immigration authorities are after them...

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421 posted on 12/29/2003 10:14:26 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only... (James 1:22))
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To: americanbychoice
Try this one, go to any bank and open an account without Soc.Sec. number. You will find out that it is impossible. As far as employment is concerned, you can't legally get hired, because information on the federal forms are missing in that case. Without Soc. Sec. # what account would an employer use to pay payroll taxes into? Simple: No soc. Sec. # , no Bank account, No legal job, no payroll taxes.

Simple: Fake Social Security-->job--> paycheck--> payroll taxes, credit card, bank accounts, driver's licenses, etc. It happens all the time, and could potentially have disastrous results:

New York Times, 5/20/02

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/686118/posts

WASHINGTON, May 19 — Tens of thousands of foreigners are illegally obtaining Social Security numbers by using fake documents, a typical first step to identity theft and other crimes, but federal officials still have not found a way to search immigration records to prevent the practice, federal investigators say.

In a new report, the inspector general of the Social Security Administration, James G. Huse Jr., said that 1 in 12 foreigners receiving new Social Security numbers had done so using fake documents. Preliminary results from an investigation still under way show that 100,000 Social Security numbers were wrongly issued to noncitizens in 2000, Mr. Huse said.

The continuing problem is causing great concern among law enforcement and counterterrorism officials, because Social Security cards can be used to obtain credit cards and the security badges needed for jobs at airports or other vulnerable locations. Since Sept. 11, federal authorities have been conducting nationwide sweeps to arrest people on charges of using false Social Security numbers.

Some of the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11 had falsely obtained Social Security numbers, which allowed them to open bank accounts and get credit cards in this country.

Prosecutors said that Lotfi Raissi, an Algerian pilot initially suspected of training several hijackers, had used the Social Security number of a Jersey City woman who died in 1991.

For more than three years, Mr. Huse has recommended that the Social Security agency check the records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service before issuing Social Security numbers to noncitizens.

Before Sept. 11, the Social Security agency disagreed with this recommendation and did nothing to carry it out, fearing it would lead to unacceptable delays in issuing Social Security numbers to legitimate applicants.

The Social Security agency has since embraced the recommendation but has had little success in getting the necessary help from the immigration agency, Mr. Huse said in an interview. The immigration agency issues many of the documents that immigrants use to show they are eligible for Social Security cards.

The Social Security agency needs immediate help from the immigration agency because, Mr. Huse said, "Social Security service representatives are not trained in studying the authenticity of foreign identity documents."

Mr. Huse said the two agencies were still working out an arrangement to give Social Security officials access to electronic immigration files on noncitizens. Social Security is also waiting for the immigration agency to incorporate data on certain immigrants authorized to work in the United States.

Bill Strassberger, a spokesman for the immigration agency, said: "We are trying to work more closely with the Social Security Administration to reduce the use of fraudulent documents. It's one of our top priorities."

Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said Social Security number fraud was a domestic security issue.

"Audits by the inspector general show that the Social Security Administration has been much too loose with its control of Social Security numbers," Mr. Grassley said. "That's extremely dangerous when criminals and terrorists are able to use Social Security numbers to infiltrate American society."

Foreigners have obtained Social Security numbers by using counterfeit versions of visas, green cards and arrival-and-departure forms, among other documents. In some cases, the government has sent Social Security cards to nonexistent children and to dozens of noncitizens listed at the same address.

Mr. Huse said the events of Sept. 11 showed that "identity theft was a prime modus operandi of terrorists." Once a person obtains a Social Security number, through proper or improper means, he said, the government has little control over its use.

"The tragedies of Sept. 11 demonstrate that the misuse of Social Security numbers and identity theft are `breeder' offenses with the ability to facilitate crimes beyond our imagination," Mr. Huse said in his report.

"For at least several more months," he added, "the Social Security Administration will continue to issue Social Security numbers to noncitizens without obtaining independent verification of documents."

In the last year, the Social Security agency issued 5.8 million numbers, including 1.5 million to noncitizens.

The report comes during a nationwide crackdown that has already led to the arrest of hundreds of airport workers on charges that they used fraudulent Social Security numbers to obtain jobs providing access to airplanes, ramps, gates and other restricted areas...

After using counterfeit immigration papers to obtain Social Security numbers, many foreigners use the numbers to get airport security badges, Mr. Huse said.

Separately, federal officials are investigating hundreds of people believed to have used false Social Security numbers to obtain credit cards and steal money.

In some cases, people detained as terrorism suspects were held on Social Security fraud charges, which are easier to prove.

"These actions ensure that the suspected terrorists remain in the judicial process while the terrorist investigation is continuing," said Mr. Huse, who worked at the Secret Service for 25 years before joining the Social Security agency in 1996.

Before Sept. 11, it was unusual for the government to imprison anyone on a charge of having obtained a false Social Security number.

To illustrate the misuse of Social Security numbers, Mr. Huse cited the case of Malek M. Seif, a pilot arrested in Phoenix in October. Federal officials said Mr. Seif might have known a Sept. 11 hijacker, but he was not accused of terrorism. In February, he pleaded guilty to Social Security fraud, acknowledging that he had made false statements when he applied for a card.

Federal officials said Mr. Seif had obtained two Social Security numbers under different names, obtained driver's licenses in both names and used both identities on a variety of loan and credit card applications.

422 posted on 12/29/2003 10:28:27 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only... (James 1:22))
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To: mrustow
If you're family to a citizen, he can sponsor you right now.

Depends on the relationship. Second and third cousins, uncles... do not have priority.

423 posted on 12/30/2003 2:08:34 AM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: mrustow
Thanks, MR . . . that was exactly what I wanted to know! Good post!
424 posted on 12/30/2003 6:09:44 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: MNLDS
I can accept that, however, in light of this, my statement is correct. :)
Government kicks it back, no money in their account.
425 posted on 12/30/2003 8:10:50 AM PST by americanbychoice
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To: Havoc
I take it then that you disagree with dawg when he observes "and then y'all wonder why americans are perceived nativist, xenophonic and self-centered."?
426 posted on 12/30/2003 8:24:44 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: international american
Never EVER be without a pistol. I am a victim of home invasion and stabbed in a parking lot for theft.

Indiana is a shall-issue state for concealed carry permits. We're getting them as soon as we move to our new house (different county). California only wants criminals to have guns.

427 posted on 12/30/2003 9:54:49 AM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: Xenalyte
I'm glad I was able to explain it, because I can see where the claim would not be obviously true.
428 posted on 12/30/2003 10:31:31 AM PST by mrustow
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To: sarcasm
O.k.
429 posted on 12/30/2003 10:32:55 AM PST by mrustow
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To: americanbychoice
Wrong. The feds have been issuing illegals TINs -- taxpayer identification numbers -- for years, and banks have been accepting them, in lieu of SS#s.
430 posted on 12/30/2003 10:35:17 AM PST by mrustow
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To: JustPiper
Thanks for the link.
431 posted on 12/30/2003 10:36:40 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
Bravo!
As a Native Californian of almost 40 years; I have witnessed most everything you have stated.
How anyone can deny what is happening, must not SURVIVE (because it's not just living anymore) here, is wealthy, here illegally, or have there head up their where the sun doesn't shine.
I am not a racist, there are legal avenues/laws for entering and residing in our Country and they should be adhered to.
432 posted on 12/30/2003 11:54:18 AM PST by 1Travelingon
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To: 1Travelingon
I moved to Ca. in 1976, and it is nothing like the way it was then.
433 posted on 12/30/2003 12:46:43 PM PST by international american (support our troops................itch slap a liberal today!)
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To: Amerigomag
I think I've made my position pretty clear.
434 posted on 12/30/2003 1:54:27 PM PST by Havoc ("Alright; but, that only counts as one..")
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To: 1Travelingon
As a Native Californian of almost 40 years; I have witnessed most everything you have stated.
How anyone can deny what is happening, must not SURVIVE (because it's not just living anymore) here, is wealthy, here illegally, or have there head up their where the sun doesn't shine.

That pretty much sums it up. As far as they're concerned, people hurt by illegal immigration don't count. When they call you a "racist," they mean "loser." It's just like the attitude of the powers that be, including prosecutors, in New York City. If you're white and can't afford to take taxicabs home at night, and get mugged on the subway, you deserved it, because you're a "racist."

435 posted on 12/30/2003 5:07:17 PM PST by mrustow
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To: B4Ranch
Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice?

Stop being so damned logical!

436 posted on 12/30/2003 5:32:56 PM PST by mrustow
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To: txdoda
Whenever government is pulling a fast one, they come up with nice-sounding talk about how they're going to have stringent limits. Remember 1987? The talk about "matching workers to jobs" will be forgotten, as sooon as the next amnesty goes through.>>>>>>

Yes, I know.......and Bush remains either SILENT or SNEAKY re: all immigration issues, post 9-11.

I'm also hoping these 'latest headlines' outrage enough citizens to make a difference.

Yes, but only if conservatives are willing to FReep their commander-in-chief.

437 posted on 12/30/2003 5:35:39 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Vigilanteman; txdoda
In this 'day & age' all immigrants should have backround checks.

I have friends (U.S. Citizens) who are married to foreign nationals. As part of the application process for an immigrant visa, they are required to produce a clean police record and show financial means or skills for self-support or have a guarantee from their spouse of such support. This are the very basic of a number of logical requirements.

Illegal immigrants, of course, do none of this-- they simply wade a river, climb a fence or pay a coyote. Even during the 1870-1910 era of massive legal immigration, many were turned away at Ellis Island for any number of reasons-- TB, insanity and other health-related ailments being the most common.

And I'm very suspicious about criminal background checks from places like Mexico. Heck, I wouldn't trust LEGAL Mexican immigrants to be who they claim to be. Between the matricula consular and Fox's open collusion with illegals, I wouldn't put it past an applicant to be using a false name, AND to be getting help from Mexican government officials, who don't want any of their invaders to be rejected by our officials.

438 posted on 12/30/2003 5:40:44 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Vigilanteman
Thanks for the great link!
439 posted on 12/30/2003 5:42:31 PM PST by mrustow
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