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How Illegal Aliens are Bankrupting and Disenfranchising the American Middle and Working Classes
A Different Drummer/Middle American News ^ | December, 2003 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 12/28/2003 10:49:51 AM PST by mrustow

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To: DumpsterDiver
Good morning, DumpsterDiver.

Another one of those strange nights when sleep just wasn't to be found.
321 posted on 12/29/2003 6:38:45 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Missouri
No way do I accept the arguement from the open-borders crowd that we're a nation of immigrants.

I'm not an immigrant --- neither were my parents --- but what many forget is that even with Homesteading of land where there was so much available land they were giving every immigrant 40 acres, and the Industrial Revolution which was creating millions of low-skilled factory jobs, a third of the immigrants from Europe returned home within a short time. People like to think the boats were empty heading East --- but they were often filled with disillusioned un-immigrants which isn't the case today with Welfare around to make sure no one fails. Now 35-45% of our immigrants end up on welfare programs.

322 posted on 12/29/2003 6:41:02 AM PST by FITZ
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To: gawd
colombian mafia exists because of the War On Drugs.

So any foreigner not only has the right to completely ignore our immigration laws, they can ignore our laws on what can be brought into this country? They can bring any drug, food, medicine --whatever they wish? Can they bring over pirated CDs? Any law at all that inconveniences, they are free to break?

323 posted on 12/29/2003 6:45:57 AM PST by FITZ
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To: gawd
I'm talking about unconditional, free immigration for all able-bodied persons without a criminal record. everyone has a right to the American Dream.

Find that in the US Constitution. Or did you find that in Vicente Fox's "The Whole Enchildada"? Where does it say only all able-bodied persons can invade the USA? Even the able-bodied who will end up on Welfare handouts because they aren't so able-minded?

324 posted on 12/29/2003 6:49:55 AM PST by FITZ
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To: mrustow
If an ER is taken over by immigrants, to the exclusion of American citizens, then the cost of the ER is a cost of immigration. The American taxpayers in the area are paying for it, but are denied its services. Whether the ER is funded any better than when Americans were permitted to use it is irrelevant to calculating it as a cost of immigration. As for the case of public schools in areas with heavy illegal immigrant populations, any halfway informed person would know that, without needing to read this article.

The ER costs the same whether its busy or quiet and regardless of who is being served. Every ER I have ever heard of uses a triage system, taking the most critically ill patients first, then working down to those with their colds and flu. That later group is worked through in the order in which they show up. I find it hard to believe that ER's are turning away people who have had heart attacks or been in auto accidents because they have a room full of people with sniffles. That doesnt happen. So if you have a case of sniffles too and are seeking treatment at the ER learn you are supposed to go to your doctor, not the ER for your non emergency needs.

Of course, no one is stopping you from following up on the writers the author cites. Someone who demands such Herculean effort of others must be willing to do some work himself, if does not wish to be outed as a hypocrite.

I didnt ask you or anyone to do any footwork for me. I only questioned the gullibility of those that accept as true a piece that doesnt offer any evidence for its thesis other than the "estimates" of other so-called "experts".

325 posted on 12/29/2003 7:00:17 AM PST by Dave S
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To: xusafflyer
ping
326 posted on 12/29/2003 7:00:35 AM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: mrustow
How about calling your congress critters today and letting them know how you feel about amnesty? Here are some phone numbers to save you time and trouble.

Congress 202-224-3121
White House 202-456-1111
327 posted on 12/29/2003 7:22:19 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: ThinkDifferent
Please stop with the Jesse Jackson playbook, it's not going to work here.

If you don't mind, I think I will have to remember and restate this remark on some occassions. I've never heard it put that way before and I think it's quite apt.

328 posted on 12/29/2003 7:24:37 AM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: Dave S
I find it hard to believe that ER's are turning away people who have had heart attacks or been in auto accidents because they have a room full of people with sniffles. That doesnt happen.

I had appendicitis and I was sent home three times, after being sent there by my doctor. The ER was busy looking at illegals with the sniffles, so they didn't actually have time to confirm that I had appendicitis and instead decided that I must just have cramps. They let me wait, curled up in agony on the floor, for six hours, though. While they took illegals with the sniffles. I had a long time to watch their supposedly "sick" kids playing around and eating Chicken McNuggets. Emergency-room-sick people do not generally eat, laugh, and play. I know this since I hadn't eaten for about a week. The room was literally full of people who were not having emergencies, and while I didn't inquire as to legal status, most of them were speaking in Spanish (which I also speak).

Luckily, on the fourth time (now days after the doctor first said it was really serious), I was about ready to die and my appendix was leaking, so my husband called an ambulance, and they had to take a closer look and perform some emergency surgery.

329 posted on 12/29/2003 8:00:15 AM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: FITZ
People like to think the boats were empty heading East --- but they were often filled with disillusioned un-immigrants which isn't the case today with Welfare around to make sure no one fails.

Good point. I've seen alot of urban sprawl around where I live and I don't like it. Alot of good farmland will be gone forever. I don't put the full blame on immigration here in the St. Louis area but anyone can figure out that the more people you bring in, the less land there will be to enjoy for future generations. Where will we go to hunt, fish, or even grow food?

As Dan Stein of F.A.I.R. was said "This isn't 1850 anymore".

330 posted on 12/29/2003 8:23:01 AM PST by Missouri
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To: gawd
A hundred year ago we still had a frontier.
Right now we don't need more immigrants.
Maybe if we could trade our welfare class and our trial lawyers for them...
331 posted on 12/29/2003 8:32:04 AM PST by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: MissAmericanPie
How about calling your congress critters today and letting them know how you feel about amnesty? Here are some phone numbers to save you time and trouble.

Congress 202-224-3121
White House 202-456-1111

Thanks, I will!

332 posted on 12/29/2003 8:48:07 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Little Ray
Right now we don't need more immigrants.

you say we don't need em, I say we do. who are "we"? don't speak for everyone.

333 posted on 12/29/2003 8:48:24 AM PST by gawd
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To: gawd
But I can speak for everyone, in saying that NO ONE wants to pay for them.
334 posted on 12/29/2003 9:01:31 AM PST by mrustow
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To: gawd
here's an idea: legalize them. turn them into enfranchised, tax-paying citizens instead of spreading this scare-mongering that borders on racism.

First things first. Let's get the illegals back home and then regulate their entry. We are a nation of immigrants. Controlled immigrants that are given a fair chance to assimilate rather than simply move their poverty.

What you call scare mongering is actually a probably highly accurate prediction of our dilemma if immigration continues to be unregulated. It's an ugly picture isn't it?

335 posted on 12/29/2003 9:22:23 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: gawd
we used to have many names for lily-white Irish immigrants in the 19th century

Oops. Your bigotry is showing.

336 posted on 12/29/2003 9:24:24 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: gawd
I ain't talking about amnesty. I'm talking about unconditional, free immigration for all able-bodied persons without a criminal record. everyone has a right to the American Dream.

No what you're talking about is chaos. Governments are sovereign for a reason. Sovereignty is required to provide an ordered society and an order society is necessary for survival. It's a successful formula. There has never been a successful society without control of it's boarders.

Yes our national policy does grant to almost everyone on this earth a shot at the American dream but in a controlled manner.

337 posted on 12/29/2003 9:31:13 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
Oops. Your bigotry is showing.

no chief, it's your lazy thinking that's showing instead. re-read my post and the one I was answering and try to understand what I really meant.

338 posted on 12/29/2003 9:31:25 AM PST by gawd
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To: gawd
"we used to have many names for lily-white Irish immigrants in the 19th century.."

But none of them had illegal attached to them & that's the biggest difference of all. I don't want illegals becoming citizens for any reason - I want them sent back to where they came from, by any means required. If they won't go by themselves when asked - we'll just have to use force to get them out of here.
339 posted on 12/29/2003 9:33:47 AM PST by familyofman
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To: gawd
prejudice comes in all forms. 100 years ago popular opinion was against Italian and Irish immigration. Today it's against Mexicans.

Wrong again bucko. The prejudice is against illegal aliens, not a particular cultural group.

Most on this forum see illegal alien. You see Mexican. How unfortunate. I suspect your cultural prejudice is showing.

340 posted on 12/29/2003 9:34:23 AM PST by Amerigomag
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