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How Illegal Aliens are Bankrupting and Disenfranchising the American Middle and Working Classes
A Different Drummer/Middle American News ^ | December, 2003 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 12/28/2003 10:49:51 AM PST by mrustow

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To: c-b 1
I have a friend who flew planes all over the world during WWII. He noticed one thing about the very poor countries, they all had too many people, that is what you are proposing for our children, and grandchildren.

Why should he care, he has dual citizenship. If things become inconvenient in America he can just return to the motherland.

241 posted on 12/28/2003 6:58:03 PM PST by Mackey (Will the American Southwest will become like Kosovo?)
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To: gawd
"everyone on this thread says welfare is the problem. but everyone is obsessing with restricting immigration instead of welfare reform. strange. and suspicious."

I think you'll find that the same people who are fed up with illegal immigration are fed up with welfare, too.

"I think a lot of them have other motives for restricting immigration that they can't admit in public."

Oh, yeah...we're all just closet racists. /sarcasm

242 posted on 12/28/2003 7:01:07 PM PST by Henrietta (Borders, language, culture!)
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To: Missouri
Even immigrants from 100 years ago had it alot tougher than today. No welfare, no free medical, no ACLU suing for ballots in different languages.>>>>>>

Agreed.......Take away the 'welfare checks' and very few of todays illegals could make it in the USA. (let them deport themselves).

The only hope I see is that Bush keeps saying, "match workers to jobs"........NO WAY this country has 'a need' for millions more 'day labors' standing on our corners.
243 posted on 12/28/2003 7:01:09 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: _Jim
"WOULD this be your solution to the so-called 'drug war' as well?"

Gee, I didn't realize we were discussing the WOD....

Your comment is a non-sequitur.
244 posted on 12/28/2003 7:02:20 PM PST by Henrietta (Borders, language, culture!)
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To: gawd; calcowgirl; mrustow; YoungKentuckyConservative; liberallyconservative; JoeSchem; spodefly; ...
Posted by gawd:

I ain't talking about amnesty. I'm talking about unconditional, free immigration for all able-bodied persons without a criminal record. everyone has a right to the American Dream.....19 posted on 12/28/2003 11:39:15 AM PST by gawd

.....but everyone is obsessing with restricting immigration instead of welfare reform. strange. and suspicious. I think a lot of them have other motives for restricting immigration that they can't admit in public.

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You're quite a "holier-than-thou" trash-talking troll on this thread, aren't you, gawd?

You have claimed that every individual on the Planet Earth has a "right" to immigrate to the U.S. although that opens up the door to six Billion people.

You now imply that anyone who might to think that opening up the place where you live to six Billion people must be some sort of racist.

In Post 186, I challenged to put your actions where your Utopian drivel is and open your house to ten homeless people that I would find and whose transportation to your front door I would personally finance.

In case you missed it, the post is pasted below.

I have not heard back from you yet, dawg.

What's the matter, dawg? Are homeless people not good enough for you? Are you a racist that is afraid their color might not be right? Are you just a blowhard that's all trash-talk and no action?

Here is your chance to put your Utopian rhetoric into action.

Draw up that legally binding contract and I will pay the tranportation for those 10 homeless people so that you can share your house with them.

After all, they have the right to the American Dream and you believe than nobody has a right to restrict those who might want to move into the place where you live.

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186 posted on 12/28/2003 3:29:59 PM PST by Polybius

Go to Mexico, as a non-Mexican citizen, and try to set up housekeeping and get a job in violation of Mexican immigration laws and see how far you get before Mexican law falls on your head like a ton of bricks. stupid mexican laws are not an excuse for stupid american laws.

But you believe, as you noted in another post, that everyone on the Planet Earth has a "right" to the "American Dream" and that there should be no controls whatsoever on immigration.

As another poster mentioned, that would include 300 million untouchables from India, 400 million Chinese, 100 million Bangla Deshis and on and on and on.

You believe that unlimited entry by outsiders into where you live is a "right" of those outsiders and you call those who disagree "stupid"?

Tell you what, talk is cheap.

Back up your Utopian rhetoric with action.

If you promise to permanently share your house with them, I will personally walk the streets and homeless shelters of Seattle to find ten homeless people to move in with you.

Draw up that promise as a legally binding contract and I will sign that contract obligating myself to pay airfare for those people from Seattle to your nearest major airport and taxi service from the airport to your front door.

245 posted on 12/28/2003 7:08:08 PM PST by Polybius
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To: txdoda
The only hope I see is that Bush keeps saying, "match workers to jobs"........NO WAY this country has 'a need' for millions more 'day labors' standing on our corners.

Whenever government is pulling a fast one, they come up with nice-sounding talk about how they're going to have stringent limits. Remember 1987? The talk about "matching workers to jobs" will be forgotten, as sooon as the next amnesty goes through.

246 posted on 12/28/2003 7:08:52 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Jakarta ex-pat
Today, California; tomorrow, Idaho

Tomorrow is already here.

It's later than you think.

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Hispanics Largest Growing Population In Idaho

By Associated Press

BOISE -

Idaho's Hispanic population grew three times faster than the state as a whole in the first two years after the last census.

Leaders of the state's largest minority say that puts more pressure on public schools.

According to new estimates from the Census Bureau, the state grew at three-point-two percent overall from mid-2000 to mid-2002, with the Hispanic population jumping ten-point-six percent. Only 13 other states saw higher percentage growth in their Hispanic groups.

Gladys Esquibel, who heads the state Commission on Hispanic Affairs, says schools must change to address the needs of Hispanic students. The latest results from the state standards achievement tests show that more than half of Hispanic high school sophomores failed.

247 posted on 12/28/2003 7:08:57 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: hosepipe
Well the american middle class had better get off their collective asses get busy... -OR- they deserve it..

You're right, of course.

248 posted on 12/28/2003 7:09:56 PM PST by mrustow
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To: international american
Read 247.

It's gone far beyond the borders of Cal, Texas, AZ, CO, etc.
249 posted on 12/28/2003 7:10:58 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Mackey
gawd: I'm a dual citizen and eligible for a third passport in a certain european country. so all of a sudden I'm a 'bad' American?

Mackey: Bad? No. Just diluted.

I guess you'd prefer me being a 'pure' American. reminds me of another country that used to be obsessed with purity some 60 years ago.

250 posted on 12/28/2003 7:14:20 PM PST by gawd
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To: dawg; Polybius
Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice?
251 posted on 12/28/2003 7:15:49 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: mrustow
Whenever government is pulling a fast one, they come up with nice-sounding talk about how they're going to have stringent limits. Remember 1987? The talk about "matching workers to jobs" will be forgotten, as sooon as the next amnesty goes through.>>>>>>

Yes, I know.......and Bush remains either SILENT or SNEAKY re: all immigration issues, post 9-11.

I'm also hoping these 'latest headlines' outrage enough citizens to make a difference.
252 posted on 12/28/2003 7:17:53 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: txdoda
Political cunning should never be mistaken for intelligence.
253 posted on 12/28/2003 7:20:25 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: B4Ranch
"Political cunning".....could also be "Political Suicide"
254 posted on 12/28/2003 7:33:40 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: gawd
gawd: I'm a dual citizen and eligible for a third passport in a certain european country. so all of a sudden I'm a 'bad' American?

Mackey: Bad? No. Just diluted.

I guess you'd prefer me being a 'pure' American. reminds me of another country that used to be obsessed with purity some 60 years ago.

Oh gawd, now I know you've run out of arguments! See Goodwin's Law.

Did I say impure? No, I said diluted. Diluted allegiance, to spell it out for you. Posing as an American while at the same time retaining foreign citizenship.

255 posted on 12/28/2003 7:42:22 PM PST by Mackey (Will the American Southwest will become like Kosovo?)
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To: Mackey
Diluted allegiance is a serious problem amongst our legislators!
256 posted on 12/28/2003 7:46:15 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: madfly; HiJinx; janetgreen; FITZ; gubamyster; SandRat; WRhine; joesnuffy; B4Ranch; moehoward; ...
Bump and Ping.
257 posted on 12/28/2003 7:50:23 PM PST by Missouri
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To: B4Ranch
Diluted allegiance is a serious problem amongst our legislators!

You ain't kiddin'! It's pretty serious in the Executive branch too!

258 posted on 12/28/2003 8:00:06 PM PST by Mackey (Will the American Southwest will become like Kosovo?)
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To: txdoda
In this 'day & age' all immigrants should have backround checks.

I have friends (U.S. Citizens) who are married to foreign nationals. As part of the application process for an immigrant visa, they are required to produce a clean police record and show financial means or skills for self-support or have a guarantee from their spouse of such support. This are the very basic of a number of logical requirements.

Illegal immigrants, of course, do none of this-- they simply wade a river, climb a fence or pay a coyote. Even during the 1870-1910 era of massive legal immigration, many were turned away at Ellis Island for any number of reasons-- TB, insanity and other health-related ailments being the most common.

259 posted on 12/28/2003 8:12:53 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Missouri
Illegal Aliens-- A Privileged Class.
260 posted on 12/28/2003 8:16:15 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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