How Illegal Aliens are Bankrupting and Disenfranchising the American Middle and Working Classes

A Different Drummer/Middle American News ^ | December, 2003 | Nicholas Stix

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[Penner]

In California, which has approximately four million illegal immigrants (out of 9 million-13 million nationally), illegal immigrants have destroyed a public school system that for generations was the envy of the nation. For middle-class, American parents to leave their children in such hostile environments would constitute neglect. And so, while some parents have placed their children in often expensive private schools, others have sought safe public school districts.

I can attest to that. Twenty years ago Fresno's schools were mostly white and middle class. Today, they are predominantly non-white and poor, like the kind usually found in the big cities. The middle class have fled to nearby Clovis and the Sierra foothills, leaving behind a giant slum riddled with gangs and crime.

[Penner]

here's an idea: legalize them. turn them into enfranchised, tax-paying citizens instead of spreading this scare-mongering that borders on racism.

Reagan already tried this, and it failed.

[txdoda]

stupid mexican laws are not an excuse for stupid american laws.>>>>

Then how 'bout the mexicans & ALL their organizations here in the USA put forth their TIME,EFFORT, & MONEY to change "stupid laws in mexico" rather than "claiming" US laws are stupid, and protesting to change laws here ???

[Penner]

After all, most Irish immigrants back then were poorer and more illiterate than a lot of the mexicans.

If that were true, why are schools populated by Mexican immigrants at the bottom in test scores? Even when taught in their language?

[gawd]

gawd: After all, most Irish immigrants back then were poorer and more illiterate than a lot of the mexicans.

Penner: If that were true, why are schools populated by Mexican immigrants at the bottom in test scores? Even when taught in their language?

because they come from a poor country? You're missing my point anyway, I was comparing them to 19th century Irish immigrants, not present-day americans.

[happygrl]

BUMPING to read this important posting later.

[Mackey]

why was it OK to take in unlimited quantities of Irish and Italians 100 years ago, but heavily restrict Mexicans today. After all, most Irish immigrants back then were poorer and more illiterate than a lot of the mexicans. what is your rationale and the moral justification?

Ireland and Italy don't share a border with the United States and their immigrants didn't have the motive, means and opportunity to take over a large region of America.

[txdoda]

What is shocking is the article was first published in DECEMBER 2000 and nothing has been done to correct this situation. In fact, it is worse!>>>>>>

Regardless of the date on this article, the 'shocker' re: ANY amnesty for illeglas is that ONLY eight years after the 'blanket amnesty' CA was once AGAIN so over-whelmed with costs of illegals, they passed prop 187, (that our generous courts over-turned).

Just proofing that 'whatever' we *give* the illegals now here, MILLIONS more will come to claim the same.

[Henrietta]

"everyone has a right to the American Dream."

Well, they can dream while they apply for citizenship legally, instead of breaking our laws and expecting a handout for it. These people are CRIMINALS, and should be deported when caught, and told that they will be imprisoned if they come back. We'll never get a handle on this situation unless we close the border and get tough with people who violate our laws.

[gawd]

Ireland and Italy don't share a border with the United States and their immigrants didn't have the motive, means and opportunity to take over a large region of America.

this is funny, really funny. I'll file it right next to the "canadians taking over montana" story.

[Henrietta]

"why was it OK to take in unlimited quantities of Irish and Italians 100 years ago, but heavily restrict Mexicans today. After all, most Irish immigrants back then were poorer and more illiterate than a lot of the mexicans. what is your rationale and the moral justification?"

Because 100 years ago, the American taxpayer was not forced at the point of a gun to contribute income taxes to support the poor of every nation who wanted to come here. Those immigrants who were too poor to care for themselves and their families were helped by private charities. I and others resent the confiscation of our hard-earned wealth to pay for immigrants to pop out babies at taxpayer expense while many working-class American citizens wait years to start families because they can't afford the extra mouth to feed.

If they had the "right" to be here (as you repeatedly and erroneously claim) they wouldn't be called "illegals" and need fake identification.

I notice you just joined in November, 2003. Welcome to FR.

[txdoda]

proofing=proving

[Biblebelter]

I could have used the term globalism or internationalism instead of new world order. Had I done so, there may have been those who might have been led to think that I have an academic or a humanist world view. I have no such view. I don't know nothing about any stinking black helicopters. But since I have been on this forum long enough to be educated about many things, I know quite a bit about the jack booted thugs who were under the command of Janet Reno. As I remember she barbequed some innocent sheep who were guilty of little more than associating with a delusional messianic nut by the name of David Koresh. I believe pretty much the same thugs struck again in the middle of the night and took little Elian back to his beneficent Uncle Fidel. Black helicopters seem to be some kind of code for those who are delusional about the government covertly conspiring to trample individuals freedoms. The damage that is being done to our nation every day is not covert and it comes through no conspiracy. It is manifest and though one cannot educate oneself about this damage from the mainstream media, there are a few forums such as this one, where those who have eyes to see and ears to hear can become aware of what threatens our sovereign nation. I make no apology to anyone who finds the business about the eyes to see and ears to hear, a little cryptic for their tastes.

[Missouri]

Bootin' the illegals (and the perks they get FREE), will put a dent in our 'welfare state'

Excellant point.

First things first.

[gawd]

Because 100 years ago, the American taxpayer was not forced at the point of a gun to contribute income taxes to support the poor of every nation who wanted to come here.

everyone on this thread says welfare is the problem. but everyone is obsessing with restricting immigration instead of welfare reform. strange. and suspicious. I think a lot of them have other motives for restricting immigration that they can't admit in public.

I notice you just joined in November, 2003. Welcome to FR.

thank you. I hope to participate in more interesting discussions like this one.

[hedgetrimmer]

I think a lot of them have other motives for restricting immigration that they can't admit in public.

What would that be?

[gawd]

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[Mackey]

Ireland and Italy don't share a border with the United States and their immigrants didn't have the motive, means and opportunity to take over a large region of America.

this is funny, really funny. I'll file it right next to the "canadians taking over montana" story.

You go right ahead, Mr. Dual Citizenship.

When it comes down to deciding the issue in the streets, with guns and gasoline bombs, you'll just scurry back to wherever you came from.