Bush leads country on spending spree.

Detroit News ^ | 12/28/03 | Tony Snow

[Gunslingr3]

You didn't answer my question.

You're right, instead I pointed out it had no place or relevance in the discussion.

What OBL says or thinks is irrelevant.

Actually it's not, particularly when he's explaining why he went to war against America.

Nutjobs can say anything that occurs to them any time they choose. It does not make it true.

You've demonstrated that. ;)

We can't base foreign policy out of fear of an international outlaw.

Agreed, we should base it on our interests. Using American soldiers, who volunteered to defend the U.S. Constitution, to return a foriegn King to his throne and to protect another isn't in our interest when it means wasting hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of American lives.

When was that? Before the first World Trade Center blast? It's very convenient to muddle cause and effect, isn't it.

OBL and Co. declared war on the U.S. in 1991 for placing U.S. troops on foriegn soil, to prop up a foreign King. First WTC attack was in 1993. Getting that cause and effect down yet? Intervention begets intervention.

I will have to review the rise of Bin Laden, the Taliban and perhaps even Black September, way back perhaps before you were born.

Bin Laden came to prominence helping another set of muslims expel foreign troops from their land. He was an ally of ours then, recall? What do you think Americans have bought, aside from Jimminy Carter's Nobel Prize, for the thousands of lives and billions of dollars we've elected to pour into the Middle East mess?

[tbpiper]

Have you even bothered to read the platform?

Yes, I have.

They are PRO- CONSTITUTION and you have a problem with that?

No, I don't.

They lack money to campaign well.

If the shrill Mr. jimkress is indication, they lack qualified people as well. Calling the present two party arrangements ‘tyranny’ doesn’t quite convince me that his mental balance is near plumb. If the party’s national chairman, Jim Clymer, thinks ‘the present march towards corruption’ can be abated by a change in political parties, he’s barking up the wrong tree. Another branch of that leafy misstep is Chuck Baldwin who ought to make up his mind to either be a preacher or a politician.

[tbpiper]

OK I have an example. Wolfowitz said and was quoted repeatly that we would be met with rose petals by Iraq.

Not a very good 'example'. Do you have the actual quote?

[templar]

It sounds like something I'd expect to hear from Pat Buchanan, lunacy!

But is whqat he is saying accurate or not, and why?

[MEG33]

#241 needs some correct info!

[inquest]

But I am half tempted to vote for a democrat for President, so that we have gridlock again, similar to the Clinton years.

Why not just vote Constitution Party? That way, if the Democrat gets elected, the gridlock will be even more in favor of conservatives.

[GunsareOK]

I agree. I'm writing in Tom Tancredo.

[inPhase]

It is in so many places and so celebrated that I cannot use up my time, which I have little at the moment. But if I run in to it again in near future I will remember you.

Off top of my head, Wolf is questioned about this at Georgetown talk in Nov. Cspan archive.
Just type into google.

[inPhase]

It was easy to find some things, I think more are buried in my posts re wolfowitz saing that the US would be met with "rose petals" in Iraq. But here's more on a quick search!
Many references to just the roses.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&edition=us&q=wolfowitz+rose+petals&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web

December 22, 2003
Wolfowitz May Soon Leave
Time confirms Bob Novak's report that Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has fallen out of favor with the White House: "It is widely believed in national-security circles that Wolfowitz may leave the Administration sometime in 2004. He has become too controversial for Bush to promote to Defense Secretary; Wolfowitz believed that U.S. troops in Iraq would be greeted with rose petals."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2003/12/22/wolfowitz_may_soon_leave.html

http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2003/poywolf.html
The Rummy and Wolfie show may soon go off the air. It is widely believed in national-security circles that Wolfowitz may leave the Administration sometime in 2004. He has become too controversial for Bush to promote to Defense Secretary; Wolfowitz believed that U.S. troops in Iraq would be greeted with rose petals.

[tbpiper]

But here's more on a quick search

I did a search before I asked you for a quote and came up with the same worthless crap you offer as evidence.

If you will remember, you said: Wolfowitz said and was quoted repeatly that we would be met with rose petals by Iraq.

There items you offered as ‘proof’ said:

Wolfowitz believed that U.S. troops in Iraq would be greeted with rose petals.
Wolfowitz believed that U.S. troops in Iraq would be greeted with rose petals.
Wolfowitz believed that U.S. troops in Iraq would be greeted with rose petals.

Amazingly similar, don’t you think? Now the operative phrase in each is:

Wolfowitz believed , not Wolfowitz SAID.

You shouldn’t say someone was was quoted repeatly unless you can actually back it up. Stating that someone else believes something is not a quote, neither is it an accurate indication to what that someone believes. So far, you haven’t answered my challenge nor given Publius and concrete examples.

[inPhase]

Wolfowitz said and is quoted all over the world as saying we would be met with "rose petals" and I regret sort of that you are in DENIAL.

Wolfie (the President's nickname for him made a fool of himself by saying that the Iraqis would greet US troop with "rose petals". And please no cussing, very uncreative and irrational. So long.

oh yeah thousands! of press articles about this QUOTE all over the world. Truth is good "fella" and yeah "repeatedly" quoted.

[tbpiper]

My Dear outaFaze:

You said: I regret sort of that you are in DENIAL.

I haven’t denied anything. All I asked for was a quote. He may very well have said it, but I would like read the quote myself and see how it relates to the overall context of the statement. This may help you understand my request. From the dictionary;
Quote: To repeat or copy the words of (another), usually with acknowledgment of the source.

Now if there is any further confusion, dictionary.com can help you clarify the meanings of ‘repeat’ and ‘copy’.

oh yeah thousands! of press articles about this QUOTE

Oh yeah thousands! of press articles ABOUT this quote, but no….actual…. QUOTE!

And please no cussing, very uncreative and irrational.

What’s this all about? No need for me to ‘cuss’. So far it’s been a rather entertaining joust with someone who’s reasoning is as effective as a withered bull pizzle.

So long.

This I understand. You, having been caught in a lie, want to cut and run. Now if you can ever source an exact quote, let me know.

Love & kisses
“fella”

[optik_b]

"Bush's domestic policies are questionable but he's DAMN sure better than the alternatives."

Bush increased spending 8.2% in his 3 years in office. Clinton and a Democratic congress only increased it 2.5%. What has happened to the Republican party!??!! Why is this irresponsible government spending getting so out of control.

[optik_b]

Do you really think the Islamic terrorists care who is President? They want to kill Americans regardless of who is President.

[optik_b]

"I believe Clinton and Bin Laden had a deal"

I think if you're looking for connections between Clinton and Bin Laden you'd be better off finding them with the House of Saud and the Bush administration. It was President Bush who refused to release a congressional report alleging possible links between Saudi Arabian officials and the Sept. 11 hijackers.

George W. Bush made his first Middle East connection in the late 1970s with James Bath, a Texas businessman who served as the North American representative for two Saudis (and Osama bin Laden relatives) - billionaire Salem bin Laden and banker Khalid bin Mahfouz. Bath put $50,000 into Bush's 1979 Arbusto oil partnership, probably using bin Laden-bin Mahfouz funds.

As ABC-TV broadcaster Ted Koppel put it in a June 1992 Nightline programme after the 1991 Gulf War: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George (H.W.) Bush, operating largely behind the scenes through the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power that the United States ultimately had to destroy."

Neil Bush, most famous for the scandal surrounding the corrupt practices of Colorado's Silverado Savings & Loan, where he served as a director during the 1980s, also picked plums from Arabian Gulf orchards. In 1993, after his father left the White House, Neil went to Kuwait with his parents, brother Marvin and former Secretary of State James A. Baker III.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/books/sho-sunday-phillips18.html

[The_Eaglet]

Eschew Republican and Democrat tyranny. Support the US Constitution Party.

Thanks for sharing many documented reasons to do so.

[The_Eaglet]

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