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Expanded Fed Role Against Common Crime Called 'Out of Control'
AP via TBO ^ | December 27,2003 | Jeff Donn

Posted on 12/27/2003 12:45:45 PM PST by John W

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1 posted on 12/27/2003 12:45:46 PM PST by John W
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There's a good case to made the bulk of federal crimes are better handled by the states. The feds should punish crimes in four areas: treason, piracy, hijacking and terrorism, drug crimes that cross state lines and counterfeiting, and civil rights abuses. Every other criminal matter should be reserved for prosecution by the states.
2 posted on 12/27/2003 12:51:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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...There's hardly a type of criminal that Congress hasn't targeted in past decades, often by overwhelming votes with little debate: ....

There's one major type of criminal that Congress routinely ignores or even supports; their own members.

Every senator, for example, who sat before 2000 is a traitor to the Constitution.

The House is full of thieves and frauds and worse.

They protect themselves and the "beautiful people" while sucking the life's blood out of the country.
3 posted on 12/27/2003 12:51:39 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (It's not a blanket amnesty, it's amnistia del serape!)
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Its not for nothing P.J O'Rourke called them the "Criminal Class." And we can now add the Supremes to that list. Now if we could only put the lot of them behind bars, our Constitution and rights might be more diligently observed by all concerned...
4 posted on 12/27/2003 12:53:53 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"The historical fear against federalizing crime has always been we don't want a national police power," said Gerry Moohr, a law professor at the University of Houston. "We're very near that."

This guy is either in denial or just spinning what is obvious. I wonder if he can explain the existence of the IRS, FBI, BATF, CIA, Secrete Service (SS), INS, US Marshals Service, US Fish & Game, etc as something other than Federal Police forces.

5 posted on 12/27/2003 12:55:26 PM PST by drypowder
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"Its not for nothing P.J O'Rourke called them the "Criminal Class." And we can now add the Supremes to that list. Now if we could only put the lot of them behind bars, our Constitution and rights might be more diligently observed by all concerned..."

YES!

6 posted on 12/27/2003 12:57:41 PM PST by international american (support our troops................itch slap a liberal today!)
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"It is the foreign element that commits our crimes. There is no native criminal class except Congress."-Mark Twain
7 posted on 12/27/2003 12:58:39 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; John W; goldstategop
<< ...There's hardly a type of criminal that Congress hasn't targeted in past decades, often by overwhelming votes with little debate: ....

There's one major type of criminal that Congress routinely ignores or even supports; their own members.

Every senator, for example, who sat before 2000 is a traitor to the Constitution.

The House is full of thieves and frauds and worse.

They protect themselves and the "beautiful people" while sucking the life's blood out of the country. >>

"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress."

-- Mark Twain - 1835-1910
8 posted on 12/27/2003 1:04:53 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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The Dallas mortgage broker, who was said in court papers to earn around $40,000 annually, had accumulated $331,000 in unpaid child support over less than eight years. Four years ago, when he had already negotiated a settlement, federal agents arrested him. He was prosecuted as a criminal deadbeat.

Must be more to this. His child support is more than his entire income.
9 posted on 12/27/2003 1:06:49 PM PST by stylin19a (is it vietnam yet ?)
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We need a good ole revolution. The Feds are way outa control. The 10th amendment says it very clearly - unless the authority is clearly spelled out in the constitution the authority is reserved for the states or to the people.What's so hard to understand?
10 posted on 12/27/2003 1:09:09 PM PST by sandydipper (Never quit - never surrender!)
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<< This guy is either in denial or just spinning what is obvious. I wonder if he can explain the existence of the IRS, FBI, BATF, CIA, Secrete Service, (SS) INS, US Marshals Service, US Fish & Game, Park Police etceteras as something other than Federal Police forces? >>

There are now more than 60 armed feral gummint police forces -- every one of them illegal, unlawful and unconstitutional.

And not one of which lives and/or is responsible to the people who live where it's at!
11 posted on 12/27/2003 1:09:47 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: goldstategop
Its not for nothing P.J O'Rourke called them the "Criminal Class." And we can now add the Supremes to that list. Now if we could only put the lot of them behind bars, our Constitution and rights might be more diligently observed by all concerned...

The old saying used to be "authority demands accountability." Now authority demands immunity, and often gets it.

12 posted on 12/27/2003 1:36:12 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: stylin19a
Must be more to this. His child support is more than his entire income.

It wouldn't be the first time. The way the support laws are written and enforced, the court can "assign" an income to you. Of course that doesn't mean that you actually make that much, but that's the amount they can base support on. Those cases do happen. More common is for the guy to get stuck with paying an amount that leaves him with a few hundred dollars a month to live on. The states like that because the amount of federal dollars they get from the feds is directly tied to the amount of support they collect from parents. The more the states take, the more they get.

13 posted on 12/27/2003 1:41:34 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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"The old saying used to be "authority demands accountability." Now authority demands immunity, and often gets it."

I hope JohnHuang sees this:)

Best, IA
14 posted on 12/27/2003 1:41:42 PM PST by international american (support our troops................itch slap a liberal today!)
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To: sandydipper
The 10th amendment says it very clearly - unless the authority is clearly spelled out in the constitution the authority is reserved for the states or to the people.What's so hard to understand?

All it takes is for a federal judge to rule that the feds have a "compelling interest" in the issue...Constitution be damned, as far as they are concerned.

15 posted on 12/27/2003 1:43:51 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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I've said once and will probably say it many more times: The writings I read today are similar in sentiment to what people wrote from 1750 to 1775.
16 posted on 12/27/2003 2:16:42 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: goldstategop
Its not for nothing P.J O'Rourke called them the "Criminal Class."

He was quoting Mark Twain:

It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress.
- Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar

17 posted on 12/27/2003 2:23:13 PM PST by Virginia-American
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18 posted on 12/27/2003 2:52:46 PM PST by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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Congress has created so many national crimes in so many sections of legal code that no one has an exact count. There are about 3,500, according to legal surveys. More than 45 percent have come onto the books since 1970, around when President Nixon declared the first national war on crime.
John Ashcroft is fortunate. The Tenth Amendment, for which he has no use, is toothless and dead. And the Tenth Commandment (one suspects Ashcroft doesn't know commandments from amendments) forbids coveting thy neighbor's wife, servants, and stuff. Suborning his liberty to a distant central government is okey dokey artichokey, to quote another famous statist.
19 posted on 12/27/2003 5:27:08 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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Isn't it amazing the number of things that fall under interstate commerce?

Isn't that how they (attempt) to rationalize all the un-constitutional gun laws?

The SCOTUS are traitors to the Constitution that they are bound to uphold.
20 posted on 12/27/2003 6:24:21 PM PST by LaraCroft
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