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[Jorge]

"It also says that in the end times men like Bush would be hated simply because they are good."

A man of God would never have pardoned Bill Clinton like what Bush Jr. did.

What are you talking about? Bush Jr. never issued a pardon for Bill Clinton, for anything.

There is just as much evil in this administration as in the last. Any president who pardons a former president for selling this country out to the communist chinese, the murder of Vincent Foster, Ron Brown, and Jim McDougal, and countless others, is just as evil as can be.

Huh? Bill Clinton was NEVER charged in any court of any these things...Bush Jr. couldn't have pardoned him even if he wanted to to.

Once again, what are you talking about?

And thank you for making biblical prophecy come true. I hope you come to see the truth soon before it is too late.

Right. As if I am going to be lectured on the truth by someone who's post doesn't contain a single statement of truth, and in fact goes on to make several false accusations against President Bush.

Try reading your Bible. God says He hates those who bear false witness against others. I'll pray for you.

[Once-Ler]

Thank God Bush is in office.

I couldn't agree with you more. If you listen to Dubya speak you hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. You hear it in his opposition to abortion, and his support for faith based initiatives, and school choice. Dubya is a leader who REALLY does have compassion for all people. It is not just words like "I feel your pain." In this respect he reminds me of Ronald Reagan.

The leftist media WILL point to Buchanan as an example of conservative bigotry while ignoring 'rats like Sen Robert Bird, or Congressman Jim Moran. This will change in time as today's conservative ideas become tomorrow's norm. I believe true conservatism is based upon the teachings of Christ...and Christ did not abandon whole races of people. Neither shall conservatism.

One of the best voices of Conservatism is Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh has always spoke of the need for more immigration. Rush will be around long after Mike Savage is a faded memory.

[goldilucky]

It is my understanding that Bush DID pardon Bill Clinton when they should have been thrown in prison wearing orange jumpsuits. And as far as I am concerned Bush is just as much of a criminal as Bill Clinton for what he is doing to this country right now. The only reason why Bush is acting like such a whipped puppy is because of Hillary Clinton kicking his butte from behind the scenes.

And yes, I do read the bible. And I pray for you too, Jorge because you have yet to identify, let alone separate, the wolves amongst the sheep.

[Jorge]

It is my understanding that Bush DID pardon Bill Clinton when they should have been thrown in prison wearing orange jumpsuits.

No, Clinton made an agreement with independent counsel Robert W. Ray to admit making false statements under oath in exchange for avoiding prosecution when he left office.

Bush never pardoned Clinton for anything.

And yes, I do read the bible. And I pray for you too, Jorge because you have yet to identify, let alone separate, the wolves amongst the sheep.

Coming from someone who says that Bush is just a evil as Clinton, I really can't place much value on the above statement.

[goldilucky]

Ok, I erred in my remark about Bush pardoning Clinton. I own up to this mistake.

On the second point about you making a statement about those like me and others who call Bush evil:

1. I do not put my trust in a leader who shuns responsibilty to protect my country from invasion. He might as well be delivering us unto a den of thieves.

2. I do not trust a president who takes his orders from www.cfr.org rather than administrating the law in his executive capacity like he really should be doing.

3. Colin Powell's son sits as chairman of the FCC which explains why much of the conservative talk shows are going off air.

[goldilucky]

This is the main reason why I insist the borders be shut down. We don't know who is in this country illegally and for what reasons.


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[Pelham]

I don't think the Buchananites have any idea of the cost in money or strain on the moral fabric of our society that their "let's jus build a fence and ship 'em all back to Africa...wait, I'm a hatin' Mexskins today...I mean Mexico" plan would incure.

Did you study rhetoric under James Carville? Or is it simply that you don't know what a strawman fallacy is?

Here, this Bud's for you:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

[Pelham]

Perhaps you incapable of following a thread. What is your point?

No, but evidently you have some trouble with logic. You posted a quote from Ray Haynes, as if his essay supports your position. It does no such thing, which is obvious from a reading of the entire article. Haynes was a supporter of Prop 187, and actively sought to have the Prop reviewed by the Court of Appeals.

As for Lundgen, whom you characterized as "pro 187", I have no idea where you got that. Maybe the news gets distorted when it travels from California to Pennsylvania. If Lundgren ever once mentioned Prop 187 I never heard about it. But what would I know, I only live in California, and from what I've learned here at FR a good many of the "experts" on what goes on out here live 3,000 miles away.

[Jorge]

Ok, I erred in my remark about Bush pardoning Clinton. I own up to this mistake.

An understandable mistake considering all the crimes Clinton probably should have been prosecuted for.

[Once-Ler]

You posted a quote from Ray Haynes, as if his essay supports your position.

I am repeating myself for your benefit for the last time. I quoted Ray Haynes to refute Sabertooth's and your assertion that Dan Lungren did not support Prop187. Ray Haynes specific quote was "In 1997, supporters of Proposition 187, Pete Wilson and Dan Lungren, held the position of governor and attorney general."

I can't make it any clearer to you. If you still do not understand, this could be due to chemicals or nature limiting your cognitive abilities, or you do not want to understand, or both.

As for Lundgen, whom you characterized as "pro 187", I have no idea where you got that.

I got it from Ray Haynes. As I explained in my last post to you. You're on you own now kid. Good luck!

[Once-Ler]

3. Colin Powell's son sits as chairman of the FCC which explains why much of the conservative talk shows are going off air.

Could you name one please? I hear Rush, Hanity, O'Rielly, Savage, and Mike Gallagher on the radio. Fox news is still going strong and MSNBC has Scarborogh.

I suspect if conservative shows are going off the air it has more to do with ratings than some conspiracy. As a matter of fact Powell has been trying to reduce FCC rules and allow more cross media ownership. It is the 'rats and liberal Republicans who are trying to stop FCC reform.

[MissAmericanPie]

They don't read faxes or email, and letters are not often delivered because of the antrax scare. It's better to make a phone call. Takes time to get through, but it's worth the effort.

[goldilucky]

Yes, those Clintons are truly scumbags!

[goldilucky]

Ok. let's try George Putnam's show. They already got rid of Ray Briem and Lou Epton (of KNXT (Or KXNT) of Las Vegas).

I listen to Savage and they were attacking him for awhile. Especially MSNBC. As for Sean Hannity, that dude is conservative for appearances only. Same for Michael Medved as well.

[Pelham]

Maybe you should stick to Pennsylvania stories. You might have a a better chance at being less confused.

[Pelham]

Putnam is going to reappear soon on KRLA 870, but I don't know when or what time of day as yet. I'm hoping it will be the noon to 3 segment. Bye bye, Michael Medved...

I find it amazing that so many stations in this area are being permitted to switch over to foreign language broadcast.

[Once-Ler]

Maybe you should stick to Pennsylvania stories. You might have a a better chance at being less confused.

Thanx for the advice. I think I did a remarkable job explaining CA politics to you, and I don't look at your failure to comprehend a simple statement like "Republican CA State representative Ray Haynes asserts that Dan Lungren was pro-Prop187" as being my fault in anyway. I did all that any human being could to help you, and I take great pride in this.

Happy New Year to you, and I hope for you it is a year of enormous education and contemplation.

[goldilucky]

I've been tuning in every day to KRLA just to hear Putnam come on but then Medved comes on. Then I turn it off.

I find it to be an insult when I hear of a conservative radio station being taken over by foreigners who refuse to speak English! It's like right in our faces. You can't blame them alone on this cause the chairman of the FCC played a role in this as well.

[goldilucky]

I got a better idea. They laugh their asses off as they toss away our letters, faxes, phone calls. File a class action lawsuit. That is the only thing that will get their attention.

[Pelham]

Lundgren didn't campaign for Prop 187 when it was on the ballot. Wilson did, and only after it became obvious 187 was going to win by a huge margin. Lundren never mentioned 187 at all in his later run for Governor. It could be that you have a better view of California politics from your bunker next to Punxatawney Phil than those of us who have lived here for decades. Apparently you think so.