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Report: Palestinian state in 2004, no matter what
JNW News ^ | December 22, 2003 | By Jerusalem Newswire Editorial Staff

Posted on 12/23/2003 7:18:01 PM PST by Bobby777

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To: 1066AD
It's hard to believe after all these years that he's still in the picture.

and in one piece ... he should have been a greasy stain in Ramallah years ago ...
21 posted on 12/23/2003 7:51:42 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Brookline
Whatever they lose in wars they start, the World insists Israel give back.

Nah -- in every war Israel has gained territory. 'The world' can insist, but that doesn't make it happen.

22 posted on 12/23/2003 7:59:43 PM PST by expatpat
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To: liberallarry
The only real solution is "transfer" and the Israelis still don't have the power to do it.

If the Pally state attacks Israel, it could be 1948 all over again -- Pallies running for the River Jordan.

23 posted on 12/23/2003 8:02:22 PM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat
Let's hope so.
24 posted on 12/23/2003 8:03:47 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: expatpat
If the Pally state attacks Israel, it could be 1948 all over again -- Pallies running for the River Jordan.

...and then throwing tantrums and demanding Israel for themselves.

25 posted on 12/23/2003 8:08:57 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: Radix
You are right in that there cannot exist another state in Israel, especially when most palenstians have been indoctrinated to hate the Jews and want them destroyed. Also, Israel is one of the if not the oldest nation in the world, and there never existed a state of Palestine. I dont think it is going to happen either.
26 posted on 12/23/2003 9:10:41 PM PST by futureceo31
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To: Bobby777
It is believed that the establishment of Palestine will have a powerfully positive effect on President George W. Bush's aspirations for re-election later in the year.

In other words, the American leader will have asked Israel to risk self-destruction in order to ensure his victory at the polls.

27 posted on 12/24/2003 3:00:41 AM PST by FreeReporting
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To: expatpat
The Pallies get their State, attack Israel, get the 5hit kicked out of them, and run like hell across the river to Jordan. West bank cleared, problem solved.

1. Then Israel will be really occupying a foreign country and the "Palestinians" will have more support in combating the now occupying force.

2. Giving them a state will reward terror, in addition will say that they have been speaking the truth all these years, that they are a people who deserve a state

3. Noone will support Israel going after that state. For one, this new state will sign defense pacts with other Arab states and may even bring peacekeepers to the border, which would make Israeli action nullified.

4. Take for example Lebanon's sponsorship of Hizbullah. Hizbullah has a state, and it is Lebanon therefore a terrorist state waging war against Israel. Do you see anyone supporting Israel when it sends its fighter planes to strike targets in Lebanon?

28 posted on 12/24/2003 4:01:00 AM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif; Bobby777; Yehuda; dennisw; Alouette; Happy2BMe; 2sheep; Jeremiah Jr; Simcha7; BearWash; ...
A Pali state is a violation of the everlasting land covenant made between God and Abraham, and an Islamic terror abomination which will cause Israel's desolation. It's simply axiomatic. Hmmm, maybe the NT reference to "the prophet" Daniel, is actually a description of Daniel Pipes.

Rolling out the red carpet for Palis set up a state in the midst of Judea and Jerusalem is akin to making sacrifices [to allah] in the holy place . The word "Hellenist" comes to mind. The blood of Shalhevet Pass and Yehuda Chaim Shoham cries from the ground. They were sacrificed, along with many others, to Molech (aka Oslo, the false king of peace). After all, "fire" and "pass through" can be words which describe the action of bullets.

29 posted on 12/24/2003 6:12:46 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Bobby777
It is believed that the establishment of Palestine will have a powerfully positive effect on President George W. Bush's aspirations for re-election later in the year.

And that, of course, is far more important that actual stability, peace or Jewish lives.

30 posted on 12/24/2003 6:14:30 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Thinkin' Gal; SJackson; Geist Krieger; Salem
"A Pali state is a violation of the everlasting land covenant made between God and Abraham, and an Islamic terror abomination which will cause Israel's desolation. It's simply axiomatic. Hmmm, maybe the NT reference to "the prophet" Daniel, is actually a description of Daniel Pipes."

Fullfiling of prophecy ping!

31 posted on 12/24/2003 6:58:44 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: liberallarry
Yes transfer is the only answer, but what is lacking is will to do it not ability. The United States is Israels enemy as long as we do not advocate and help with transfer. President Bushes insane roadmap is a problem as is his total lack of commitment to eliminating all terrorists. Our leaders have been propping up and helping the arch terrorist airfart for so long most of our people have no clear idea of how evil and deadly this spawn of satan is.
32 posted on 12/24/2003 11:44:22 AM PST by lobo59
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To: lobo59
I think Bush has done a great job in foreign affairs, so far.

Invading Iraq was a stroke of genius and took great courage. It may yet move the Arab world away from fundamentalism and terrorism. If it fails then, and only then, will the United States view the entire Muslim (or Arab) world as its enemy and accept "transfer" as a realistic solution to Israel's problems.

33 posted on 12/24/2003 12:45:08 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
If you believe that , then you have not tried to read your way through the insane hate and braindead ranting that the Koran is. Liberal says it all, no doubt you have not done any other research on the satanic basis of the pagan worship and hate filled rants that spew from the pulpits of islam like sewage into the treatment plant.
34 posted on 12/24/2003 3:59:28 PM PST by lobo59
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To: Bobby777
Many Bible believers, persuaded by Scripture that the Lord God of Israel will not sit idly by while His land is so divided, are bracing for a divine response.
35 posted on 12/24/2003 5:43:07 PM PST by tubavil
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To: tubavil
remember, a false peace in-between now and the events of Revelation 19 ... some say Ezek 38 is the same ... by the time of Ezek 39 it seems the same, but I think Ezek 38 may be a kickoff event ... others see Gog as a ruler under the worthless shepherd ... time will tell I suppose ...
36 posted on 12/24/2003 7:25:18 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: lobo59
No.

I'm aware of the depth of hatred rampant in the Muslim world...and of the interpretation of the Koran of which you complain.

But, historically, other interpretations have dominated; there have been times when Muslims have been very tolerant and open to outside influence.

We're gambling that the shock of conquest of Iraq and Afghanistan and the threat of a greatly expanded Israel will discredit the Wahhabis and their allies. That's the best possible outcome for us.

If not, then we'll really have to get tough.

37 posted on 12/24/2003 7:52:52 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Happy2BMe
Fullfiling of prophecy ping!

Although I imagine you are being sarcastic, consider this toungue-in-cheek:

Ezekiel 34:24: I, the LORD, will be their God, and my servant David shall be prince among them. I, the LORD, have spoken.

Israel's founder and first prime minister was David Ben-Gurion. But hardly prophecy fulfilled.

38 posted on 12/24/2003 8:02:35 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: Bobby777; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; ...
Bump on this one. Great commentary by the FReepers smarties assessing the future.




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39 posted on 12/25/2003 6:39:13 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: expatpat
Well, it could go down like this: The Pallies get their State, attack Israel, get the 5hit kicked out of them, and run like hell across the river to Jordan. West bank cleared, problem solved.

Sounds like a plan to me! As far as I'm concerned, all of Gaza, Judea and Samaria ARE Israel's. I see no Palestinian state. I thought that's what Jordan (Trans-Jordan) was for.
40 posted on 12/26/2003 12:06:09 AM PST by Chani
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