US Neo-Conservatives Jubilant Over WMD Agreement

Independent (UK) ^ | 12-22-2003 | Andrew Gumbel

[blam]

Hawks every where.

[GeronL]

neoconservatives??

shouldn't EVERYONE BE HAPPY?? Are the DUer's upset by the agreement??

[Doninnj]

Can someone please define the term "NEOCON"?

If the term means new conservative, just when did they become conservative and what were they before?

[Normal4me]

Gee, they even bitch when we do it THERE way, through diplomatic channels. Bwhaha

[Cicero]

Neocons are liberals who were mugged by reality.

Some of the best known were formerly New York intellectuals, many of them Jewish, such as Norman Podhoretz. The term has morphed somewhat over the years, but that was the group to whom I think it was first applied.

[sinkspur]

Can someone please define the term "NEOCON"?

It's a slur, and is apposite to "Paleo-con" which typifies someone who would never have gone to Afghanistan, or Iraq, or anywhere else.

They'd sit here and let us be killed.

It also is a contrast to a liberal, who talks, and talks, and talks, and talks, while people who only understand violence make fools of us.

So, I'm a neo-con, and damn proud of it!

[speedy]

I understood what a Neo-Con was back in the 80s, when Kirkpatrick and Podhoretz and Wolfowitz et al really were Neo. But how do you differentiate them now? What wide policy gaps are there between veteran Conservatives like Cheyney and Rumsfeld on the one hand and Wolfie and Perle on the other? Are we back to the "Jewish question"? The people I personally know who use the term seem to mean it as a thinly-veiled sneer at Jews.

[SubMareener]

NEOCON = Jewish Republican

[thoughtomator]

It's a veiled reference to Jews. One need not be neo anything to be jubilant at the news of a terror state giving up its WMD.

[blackbart.223]

"In domestic political terms, the hawks have moved into the ascendant, at least for the moment, and pushed their critics and adversaries back onto the defensive."

In these times it is better to be a hawk than it is to be a sheep.

[blam]

"The people I personally know who use the term seem to mean it as a thinly-veiled sneer at Jews."

I didn't know that. I've always sensed that there was a meaning that I wasn't getting.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

the neo-conservative hawks responsible for the Bush administration's doctrine of pre-emptive warfare

I get it. Bush is a pupet for the neo-cons? The more they try to make Bush look bad, the more they look like complete and utter traitors. It's going to be a good election in 2004...

[malia]

Neo-con

"--As neo-con godfather, Irving Kristol once remarked, a neo-conservative is a "liberal who was mugged by reality". True to that description, neo-conservatives generally originated on the left side of the political spectrum and some times from the far left. Many neo-cons, such as Kristol himself, have Trotskyite roots that are still reflected in their polemical and organizational skills and ideological zeal.--"

and

RUSH

--"This is a way for people to sneer at the motives of a Krauthammer or Podhoretz, even though they're nothing more than conservatives like any Christian, Muslim or agnostic in the movement. They call Christian conservatives "the religious right," and they call Jewish conservatives "neo-conservatives." Think of it that way, and recognize it for the insult it is. I'd also recommend to you a two-part call from a conservative, Miriam, who happens to be Jewish, in the audio link below. You can also listen to Mark, who says he's a conservative who opposed the war. He tried to use an Algore analogy to questioning the religion of Bush's advisors.----"

[Cultural Jihad]

The only ones who accept that word, of course, are the self-described 'paleocons.'

Perhaps we all base our judgments on what is conservative based on what we ourselves think is most important. Hence a so-called 'paleocon' wants to see women and children machine-gunned at the border because they hate the idea of a brown-skinned person committing a misdemeanor with impunity, but I would call them 'knuckle-dragging neanderthals', not 'conservatives' since the inestimable value of human life is the basis of our rights and system of self-governance. Hence a self-avowed libertarian calls himself 'conservative' because he wants to legalize recreational poisons and lauds the 'right' to be irresponsible, to commit sodomy and own or make pornography, but I would call them 'moral-liberals' rather than 'conservatives' since conservatives are big on personal responsibility and upholding moral truths which reinforce the family structure, which in turn is the foundation of our society.

In turn, they would claim that human life has no value, that there are no moral truths, that irresponsibility is something to be praised, and that the family unit is the bane of society, or that society is the bane of the individual, which alone should be all-important, at least in their minds.

[NutCrackerBoy]

Defining neocon is not the best way to go about understanding it. They are hawks who want to use US military preeminence a certain way. 9/11 created the opportunity. Cheney and Rumsfeld are on board.

Any hawk who would use the US military simply to defeat the enemy and get out is no neocon.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

The leftists (liberals) are actually some of the least tolerant people around. They also appear to have a much higher percentage of anti-Semites.

[speedy]

Since most of the original group of prominent Neos were Jewish intellectual recovering Liberals, it seems to have developed this code meaning. When I hear people talk disparigingly about Neo-Cons, it usually precedes a scathing verbal attack on Israel and how we "let" Israel determine our foreign policy.

[dighton]

A dreadful week for Andrew Gumbel & Co.

Let us rejoice.

[speedy]

No question about it. It's head-spinning how quickly the left has become more openly anti-Semitic. I am sure our response to 9-11 accelerated this.