The Soros Threat

The American Enterprise ^ | 12/20/03 | James K. Glassman

[tpaine]

Kevin Curry wrote:
What can you not do that you desire to do?

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To live free like my father [born '06] did? -- The list is long kevin.

-- Someone once posted at FR a single spaced list of the freedoms we have lost since 1900.. Hundred lines or more.
Wish I'd saved it.
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Kevin Curry wrote: I asked you tell us specifically what you cannot do that you desire to do. You responded by cutting and pasting the Bill of Rights.

That isn't an answer, but an obfuscation.
It may be fine ink you squirted, but you squirted it to aovid having to answer.

Why do you hold the BOR is such low regard that you would use it in such a flippant and cynical manner?

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I answered you in my first post, then again, specifically-- with restoration of the BORs as being on my top ten wish list.
Your demented ranting since that post only proves how crazy you are, kevin..

Please continue.

[tpaine]

Dream on jackson..

You and the drug runners share many common values. You both think making drugs 'illegal' is perfectly fine and love our authorities for the unconstitutional prohibitions that enable this mad war.
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Don't be so bashful there tp. So you share common values with drug runners? So what if most people don't consider drug runners freedom fighters defending the Constitution?
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Are you daft? You are the one sharing the WOD values with the druggies, jackson.
You're all addicted to an unconstitutional 'war', -- for the money involved. You've made your living off it.

[Miss Marple]

The subject of this thread is the danger George Soros posts to the election process. All I have to say is this: does it occur to you that all the things that Soros supports...open borders, death, abortion, subjugation to the UN, etc. are meant to destabilize and destroy American society?

Regardless of your opinion, his support of drug legalization is meant for the same purpose. If prohibition caused more trouble than legalization, he would support prohibition.

I must leave for the evening, but I suggest you think about that.

[CWOJackson]

I don't know why you're so bashful about sharing personal values and morales with drug runners? Hey, they want drugs in the streets and they hate authority also. They just cut to the chase and do it for the cash and don't try to hide behind the Constitution.

Gosh, does that mean they're more honest in their values then you?

[tpaine]

I've been thinking about, and posting about restoring our free republic for five years now, Miss M..
Many here seem to have forgotten that main mission of FR..

-- In their eagerness to bash our enemies, like Soros, -- some have become very much like him, imo.  

[tpaine]

Babble on jackson.
You've made no real points in months.

[CWOJackson]

Don't be so down tp, you should be happy.

You should be proud that you share the same values as drug runners...you support them so valiantly here on FR.

[tpaine]

How cute jackson, - you continue to babble after being dismissed.
Grow up.

[CWOJackson]

LOL!

[risk]

bttt!

As you say, Soros has been influencing the DNC for years. He's even donated money to senator John McCain. According to CBS news:

This is not the first year Soros has been generous with campaign funds. According to a database run by the Federal Election Commission, between 2000 and 2002 Soros gave $153,000 in soft money to the Democratic National Committee in three massive installments.

Since 1998, he donated $125,000 directly to candidates and committees. Except for one $1,000 check to Republican Arizona Sen. John McCain, it all went to Democratic candidates or PACs that favor Democrats.

It does appear that he's moving from narrow issues toward general opposition to American international power, however.

It seems that Soros has been a force for good at times, as he has been involved with freedom movements in the former Soviet bloc countries and so forth. I have to wonder if he is simply an aging, paranoid man. How could one who survived the Nazis, escaping eastern Europe and the Iron curtain come to the conclusion that American power had turned evil simply because we brought down Saddam's vile regime? According to David N. Bossie in the Washington Times:

In Mr. Soros' mind, the sovereignty of the United States must be subordinated to international law and international institutions, such as the United Nations and its International Criminal Court.

But we've seen for nearly three generations how the U.N. has failed to defend freedom in conflict after conflict. As long as ideologies such as Marxism and Islam grip the third world, internationalism is a sure path toward the downfall of freedom. Time and again, internationalism has stacked the weaknesses of liberal, consumer democracies with appeasement. In other words, complacent citizens in western countries fail to recognize the threat of a Syria or a China on the security council, all the while imagining that it must be "fair" to give them a vote.

Soros' ambitions don't add up. I think he may just be a very confused individual who happens to have a lot of money to burn on pet causes. Unfortunately, he's backing the wrong horse. The future of freedom on this planet still depends on America.

[Stultis]

"When I hear Bush say, 'You're either with us or against us,' it reminds me of the Germans." It evokes memories, he says, of the Nazi rhetoric of his childhood in Hungary.

[Sigh] And Soros reminds me of Goebbels. I'm almost hoarse from explaining this to leftists and their dupes. Bush NEVER SAID, "with us or against us". Will the lies from the left -- the lying liars lying about Bush lying -- never end? (Yeah, I know. Rhetorical question.)

The "you're with us or against us" lie has at least three apparent goals:

1) To imply that Bush is stupid, for it would indeed be dumb for an American President to believe that other nations, even our allies, will be "with us" in every policy.

2) To imply that Bush's foreign policy is a failure, as an all-nations-must-be-"with us"-in-everything policy certainly would be.

3) To obscure the real policy enunciated in Bush's actual statement, hoping that the BUSH DOCTRINE will thereby eventually be forgotten, marginalized or abandoned. This is the overriding goal, to undermine the War On Terror (even if that means defeat).

What Bush DID say (nearly exactly, as this is from memory) was that, "All nations now have a choice to make. You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists."

IOW Bush's statement was an assertion that there is no neutrality in the War on Terror, with of course the added point that countries who harbor or assist terrorists will be considered hostile. Furthermore the "us" does not (necessarily) mean just the United States, but all liberal, civil states and societies that cherish liberty and oppose terror.

Extending the Bush Doctrine from states to organizations and individuals, all who purposely obscure this clear and focused policy with lies and pseudo quotes, now including Soros, are not just "against us," they are with the terrorists.

[Liz]

Hey Liz. Be careful a guy who said similar was kicked
off future GOP platforms and blamed for GOP 1992 loss.

Darn, I guess I better not plan on making the keynote speech. Had it all written, too. Dammit.

[Stultis]

It seems that Soros has been a force for good at times, as he has been involved with freedom movements in the former Soviet bloc countries and so forth.

Agreed. Despite being an opinionated partisan who has no hesitation in using words like "sedition" and "treason," I firmly believe in apportioning praise and blame as objectively and with as little regard for ideology as possible. Soros has been a primary funder (and founder?) of The Democracy Project (IIRC the name correctly). This organization publishes and distributes materials in many languages with useful and proven advice for pro-democracy movements operating against totalitarian or authoritarian regimes. I believe they also provide cash, computers, communications equipment and the like in many instances.

Soros deserves praise for these efforts, and I for one won't stint in giving it. But neither will I hold back in the blame he has earned with his lies and hatred which effect sedition wrt the ongoing war on terrorism.

[Just another Joe]

Most voters are blessedly immune to dumb arguments even when they are well-funded.

Where does the author get this idea?
If it's repeated long enough and loud enough a majority of the people will believe the most outlandish idea.

[Ann Archy]

Amen...Soros is definitely an ant-Christian.

I call the moral relativity of these people.."The GRAYING of America"....they want no black and white issues, just ALL gray ones.

[Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek]

Quite often, leftists are extremely stingy on giving charity, since they believe it's the government's job, not that of the people.

Statistically, the Democratic party is the party of the very poor (who want handouts) and the filthy rich, especially those from "old money," who are elitist a$$-wipes (Soros, Kennedy's). Most people who actually work for a living are Republican or otherwise conservative.
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What you say may be generally true; however it does not apply to Soros, whose parents' wealth, such as it was, was expropriated by the post-WWII communist government of Hungary (any that they managed to preserve through the German occupation of Hungary). If Warren Buffet and Peter Lynch "work for a living" then so does Soros - - - in his case generating a very good return for his investors. He may have some loopy ideas, but he's an effective accumulator of wealth too.

I don't think Soros is a Democrat, or closely aligned with any particular party; he's merely renting them for a while in connection with his current project: political elimination of Bush. I suspect, after reading several of his books, and his current article in The Atlantic,
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/12/soros.htm
that his view of the future of nation-states resembles the views expressed in:

The Rise and Decline of the State
by Martin van Creveld
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/052165629X/qid=1071969588/sr=12-1/002-5358500-8005625?v=glance&s=books
In this comprehensive history of the modern state, author Martin Van Creveld weaves together disparate threads and illuminates hidden connections in forceful, energetic language. Thus, his book is both scholarly and entertaining. Van Creveld takes a generally dim view of governments and the state. The greater the state's power, the more he regards it as a monstrosity, and he's not shy about saying so. The anti-government political right will like this book, but Van Creveld's greatest contempt is reserved for nationalism, militarism and the state at war, which ought to entertain the left. He sees the state as a dubious, archaic institution and, as his narrative shows, his position transcends notions of conservative and liberal. Readers are likely to think of their nations differently after reading this book, which we [...] recommend primarily to students of politics and government and policy makers.

[Miss Marple]

Hello. I am back from dinner.

Now, tpaine, at what point does legalization of drugs become part of restoration of our republic? Is there documented evidence of the use of heroin, marijuana, and menthaphetamines in the papers of the founding fathers?

Nope.

If I have to choose on who cares about this country, I am coming down on the side of President George W. Bush, not George Soros.

Soros thinks he is a nation unto himself. I am suspicious of anything he promotes.

[Liz]

Amen...Soros is definitely an ant-Christian. I call the moral relativity of these people..
"The GRAYING of America"....they want no black and white issues, just ALL gray ones.

Nice take.......destructive relativists have calculatedly erased the clear demarcation
between right and wrong and we are all of us, and future generations, diminished by it.

[PhilDragoo]

Dr. Soros says:
Drink the Kool-Aid
Eschew Religion & Morality
Follow Me, New Soviet Men,
To the barricades and beyond!

[Liz]

Dr. Soros says: Drink the Kool-Aid

Ol' George has got a Jim Jones power-mad complex, eh? LOL.

Dr Soros is just as paranoid and dangerous as Guyana's Rev Jones.