Revises definition of destructive device

New Jersey Legislature | December 11, 2003 | Weiberg and Pou

[ZULU]

Assemblywoman Loretta Weinberg, Democrat District Office: 545 Cedar Lane, Teaneck, NJ 07666 (201)-928-0100

Assemblywoman Nellie Pou, Democrat District Office: 100 Hamilton Plaza, Suite 1403-05, Paterson, NJ 07505 (973)-247-1555

The Dems sneaked this one in on December 11th. It was already reviewed by the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee and released for a floor vote. The Dems are planning to rush this one through this Legislative Session.

If it succeeds in Jersey, you can expect it to re-surface in other states.

Write or call the sponsors of this idiotic bill. Freep them.

[TYVets]

Is an Inline 54 Cal Muzzleloader legal?

[FormerlyAnotherLurker]

If it passes expect next year's version to ban .45 cal and larger, then they'll go after .40 cal, etc.

Fifty Caliber Shooter's Association

The Fifty Caliber Institute

The Top Ten Lies About .50cal Rifles

[mhking]

Can I set up one of these outside their chambers? [g]

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

[ZULU]

Right now it is. If this bill is enacted, ALL guns with calibers of .50 or above will be banned in New Jersey.

Like I said, the bill cleared the Asembly Law and Public Safety Committee and was released for a floor vote in the Assembly. It hasn't been scheduled (posted) for a vote there yet, but soon will be. If it is approved by the Democratically controlled Assembly, it goes to the Senate Law and Public Safety Committee where it is reviewed, and, if approved, will be similarly released for a floor vote. If it clears the Senate, it goes to the Governor's desk for his signature.

The current legislative session in Jersey ends in January, and they take a Christmas recess. If it doesn't pass in this assembly session, you can be sure it will be reintroduced in the next one, which will have large Demcratic majorities in both the Assembly and Senate, thanks to the New Jersey State Republican leader Kyrillos, who ran one of the worst state wide campaigns in history.

Its unheard of for the Party controlling the Governorship to make such large gains in a mid-term election, especially with such an unpopular governor in office. Yet Mr. Kyrillos indicates he will NOT step down after such a catastrophic defeat during his watch.

You can also blame Senator John Bennett, a figure who lost his bid for re-election thanks to many skeletons in his closet, despite his sucking up LOADS of state campaign funds which should have better gone to more worhty candidates with a good chance of election. Bennett should NOT have run for re-election, given his "problems". The Dems were able to heavily out spend the Republicans in Jersey this year.

Ms. Weinberg is a creature of Ceasefire New Jersey, an anti-gun group. She has sponsored bills on "Smart Guns" and ballistic fingerprinting among other bills. She stormed out of the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee meeting with a comment to the effect that she doesn't know anything about guns. This is obvious. Like most anti-gunners she is an emotional ignoramus on the subject.

[ZULU]

No doubt about it.

The anti-gunners, knowing they can't outright BAN ALL guns, have decided to incrementally chip away at the Second Amendment on the State levels, starting in ratholes like Jersey, Maryland, Kalifornia and Massachusetts.

The unparalled success they achieved with their "Assault Rifle Ban" encouraged them to find more imaginative horizons.

[TYVets]

"Right now it is. If this bill is enacted, ALL guns with calibers of .50 or above will be banned in New Jersey."

Most of the muzzle loaders used for deer hunting around here are 50 Cal inlines.

[TYVets]

"Like most anti-gunners she is an emotional ignoramus on the subject."

She a large extended family all across the US.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Of all gun crimes in the country, how many of them are with such large caliber weapons? I'd guess it's awfully little, because they are more unwieldy to pack, shoot, and hide. Almost better to dictate that ALL guns must be that large.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

If only we lived in a Constitutional Republic a state would be unable to criminalize the possesion of constitutionally protected items and outlaw the passage through their state of honest citizens bearing their rightfull and lawful possesions.

[ZULU]

These people are REALLY NOT interested in addressing criminal use of firearms. They are not TOTALLY stupid.

What they ARE interested in is taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. An outright ban would be almost impossible to achieve. They learrned that long ago.
Its much easier for them to incrementally nibble away at gun ownerhsip with laws like this so, eventually, they will have achieved their orignal goal through incrementalism.

Unlike the Founding Fathers, they do NOT trust ordinary citizens with firearms. Unlike the Founding Fathers, they do not believe in God-given rights (a lot of them don't even believe in God, others are religious pacifists like the Methodists). Like today's courts, they believe that the only rights we have are the ones the government gives us, and so, since the government gives those rights, it can take them away.

They have some unlikely allies - the Methodist Church for instance, which funds New Jersey Ceasefire in part. New Jersey Ceasefire is behind this bill, behind the smart-gun bill and behind ballistic fingerprinting laws.

[Ground0]

I can only assume that all listed items are banned from civilian use/posession and that law (pronounced LAWR) enforcement are exempt?

Teetering on tyranny in Jersey, it would appear. Reminds me of Israelli soldiers shooting rock hurling Palestinians with M-16's. Good luck up there.

[ConservativeMan55]

LOL!

[ZULU]

You are probably correct in your evaluation here.

The key point here is the existing statute is being amended to make it even MORE draconian by banning all guns which fire projectiles over .50 caliber.

The idiots who introduced this were apparently unaware that shotguns which fire rifled slugs would be banned, as well as muzzle-loaing hunting rifles of .50 caliber and above (most deer rifles) not to mention all Civil and Revolutionary War peices which would, in effect, end all Revolutionary and Civil War Re-Enactments in New Jersey. When they were informed of this fac,t it apparently made little impact.

New Jersey is a state run by politicians who don't trust the public, and lawyers who control politics. The more laws, the more law cases, the more money they make. Simple.

Once upon a time, America began at the Hudson River.

Now it begins at the Delaware, and ends at the Kalifornia (Nuevo Mejico) border.

Scary, isn't it??

[Ground0]

Indeed, Hitler, Stalin and Mao are no doubt chair dancing.

[SquirrelKing]

Come and take it, zombies!

[ConservativeMan55]

Crazy stuff!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

I can't believer this! This would be the equivalent of a 50-cal ban?

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

This bill would change that caliber criterion from "greater than 60" to "50 caliber or greater."

The possession of destructive devices is prohibited under New Jersey law.

DAMMIT! It IS, it IS, it IS a 50-cal ban!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

More stuff from statist ninnies!