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Four Republicans Who Want to Challenge Boxer
Sacramento Bee ^ | 12/18/2003 | Daniel Weintraub

Posted on 12/18/2003 3:48:46 PM PST by Impeach98

Edited on 04/12/2004 6:02:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Impeach98
Like I said earlier, GO HOWARD.
21 posted on 12/18/2003 4:33:38 PM PST by RWGuy
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To: Impeach98
Kaloogian was a Republican State Assemblyman from 1994-2000.

Does any of the current CA budget fiasco blow back onto him? How would you charecterize his voting record while in the assembly?

22 posted on 12/18/2003 4:37:54 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: Impeach98
Only Howard will be able to hold his own against Boxer.

Best of all he'll do it with a smile on his face. I'll never forget his performance debating Bob Mulholland during the Recall. He exposed Mulholland for the bitter little man he is -- it was great stuff!

23 posted on 12/18/2003 4:40:37 PM PST by evilsmoker
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To: mac_truck
Nope, he's a strong fiscal conservative. Unlike some politicians, he doesn't just pretend to be one during the campaign season.
24 posted on 12/18/2003 4:46:53 PM PST by evilsmoker
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To: Impeach98
"There's already a few FReepers who have expressed disappointment that Howard's publicly acknowledged that he is a "conservative" LOL!
I didn't know that was a dirty word again!?!"

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Running around proclaiming yourself to be a conservative twice in a paragraph is certainly NOT the formula to win statewide elections in CA, where there only 35% Republicans, and 65% "others" who are far more liberal.

And out of the 35% Republicans half of them probably wouldn't describe themselves as conservative.

So we are back to a conservative winning 12-18% of the total votes -- TOPS.

I guess, if you want to make sure to lose, that's the formula. Simon and McClintock are living examples.
25 posted on 12/18/2003 4:47:16 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: pogo101
We are back to the same old problem: Do the Republicans want to nominate someone who can beat Boxer and WIN, or do they want to feel good in the primary, electing the most conservative candidate, and let Boxer laugh all the way back to the US Senate.

Whoever emerges as a strong candidate who can beat Boxer has my vote. Maybe it's Kaloogian, but I question his judgment of running around proclaiming that he is a conservative -- see my previous post.

The fact that McClintock endorsed him, also gives me pause.
26 posted on 12/18/2003 4:50:30 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: mac_truck
Go to his website and read the endorsements by National Tax Limitation Committee and Gann Taxpayer Organization. Howard is quite fiscally responsible.
27 posted on 12/18/2003 4:51:10 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: FairOpinion
You are right - we need to WIN!

Only Howard can hold his own against Boxer. And no Clinton Republican will win - how many GOP voters will vote Libertarian or AIP!

Good point... see, I knew you'd come around to becomming a Kaloogian guy :)

28 posted on 12/18/2003 4:52:09 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
"Still - he is best known as Chairman of the Recall Gray Davis Committee... this is where most of the enthusiasm amongst Republicans for his candidacy comes."

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If he can parlay this into general support -- and he may -- I am all for him, but he has to show he can beat Boxer.
29 posted on 12/18/2003 4:52:14 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: All
The thing to do is vote for the most conservative candidate in the primary, and if your man does not win, vote for the eventual Republican nominee anyway. I am as conservative as anyone else on this site, but any Republican beats any Democrat, esp in Washington. We have too many immature conservatives, passing themselves off as "true conservatives," yet by their action of sitting out elections because their guy did not win, or sin of sins, voting independent or 3rd party, both of which hand the office over to Dems, proving that they are interested in emotions, not practical matters of politics. If a Dem is ofc is the result of your advice, no thank you. That, by the result alone, CANNOT be the answer.

Some on here actually think, that if we follow their advice, we will end up with a ultra-conservative Republican party, or a conservative Libertarian party, (you really have to laugh at that one!). No pilgrim, what you will end up with is what they have in Canada: several parties on the right, none of them in power, and the liberal party in power as a result. You'd better grow up, and let conservatives pool the limited amount of votes we can get in an election to keep the Dems out. I'd rather have a center-right gov't than an ultra-leftist one, and believe me, in national elections, that is your two choices, period. Split your votes, the Dems take over. Pool them, and the result will not be the KOG, but it will be eons closer to that than any other plan.

Nadar cost Gore the 2000 election, (check Florida results if you doubt the facts of that), and the Dems are not ones to split up their votes. They are too shrewd for that. It’s about time conservatives quit being so whiney and settled for less than perfection. Believe me, I voted for the most conservative person in every primary I've ever voted for: Robertson in 88, PJB in both 92 and 96, and Keyes in 2000. Did any of those get the GOP nomination? Nope. Did I cry about it, and refuse to vote, or worse, waste my vote on a 3rd party conservative that only aided and abetted a Dem victory? Nope. I GLADLY voted for the eventual nominee, and without one iota of regret about it. Most on this site do not share that view. Most conservatives on here regard a loss to the Dems as some kind of victory. No way in heaven, hell, or anywhere between is that the fact of the matter.

If anyone thinks anything was really gained by Clinton being in power for 8 years, you are completely mistaken. And Clinton getting in was in large part due to Perot, your "3rd party conservative." You can drink that coolade if you want, pilgrim, but I will pass, thank you. I've said it before, I will say it once again. If you are too intolerant to vote GOP, you are too intolerant to vote for anybody. You have to hold ofc to make a difference. Sitting on the sidelines with your so called "conscience," (lol, I am certain that most who use that word do not have the slightest idea what it really means), pat yourself on the back for not accomplishing anything.

Outside of a GOP nominee who supports the gay agenda, I will continue to vote for the best Republicans we can nominate. The more of them in ofc, the more we can make a true conservative difference. The more Dems that are there, the more that will be hindered. If you're not thankful for what we now have, you don't understand that it could be much worse than it is now. The GOP majority is not perfection, but there is nothing better to replace it with, only worse things. If you study this with complete fairness, you cannot arrive at any other conclusion. And the first thing to improve it is to stop all divisive 3rd party/independent/sit out elections nonsense. Frankly, with the posts I see on FReep, I am surprised that there is a GOP majority at all. Thank G-d for small favors.....

30 posted on 12/18/2003 4:53:38 PM PST by Malcolm (not on the bandwagon, but not contrary for contrary's sake either)
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To: FairOpinion
I would submit that saying "I'm not a conservative" isn't a winning strategy. I submit for examples Mr. McPherson, Mr. Seymour, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Fong. I can submit more!

No Republican until Arnold has won statewide for years. Not conservatives not liberals.

I think we are back to your problem of just not liking conservative Republicans which is fine. Rosario Marin or Toni Casey are excellent candidates for you to support!

31 posted on 12/18/2003 4:54:58 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
Howard Kaloogian is the Conservative version of Howard Dean. Just like we'd like to see Dean get nominated Boxer might just start a go Kaloogian site. Both candidates attract the hard core who would rather go down fighting with THEIR candidate than defeat Boxer. Of course, like Dean the other candidates might not win either but they'd be able to at least get the center to look their way.
32 posted on 12/18/2003 4:58:15 PM PST by byteback
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To: Malcolm
But the situation we have here increasingly is people arguing that we should nominate liberals, "so we can win." In other words, don't vote for conservatives in the primary.

Isn't this a conservative website?

33 posted on 12/18/2003 5:04:01 PM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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To: Impeach98
Don't forget Ed Zschau.
34 posted on 12/18/2003 5:06:45 PM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
I hear the Republican Liberty Caucus just endorsed him today!

He was also endorsed early on by Tom McClintock. BUMP

35 posted on 12/18/2003 5:45:24 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: thoughtomator
Are you sure he's a GOP conservative? Where's the knife that should be in his back?

The GOP establishment is supporting Rosario Marin, a moderate who was the former U.S. Treasurer. She has made some comments in favor of blanket amnesty for illegals. Bill Jones is midway between Marin and Kaloogian as far as ideology goes, but many conservatives are against him for supporting John McCain in 2000.

36 posted on 12/18/2003 5:47:28 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: byteback
There is one area where your Dean-Kaloogian analogy I think is accurate - Howard Kaloogian will also use the Internet as a crucial instrument to organize supporters and raise money.

But the strength of Kaloogian is that he is best suited among all 4 GOP challengers to go head to head with Barbara Boxer and keep the race focused on her and respond to any of her sleazy attacks.

We've nominated both a conservative (Herschensohn) and a moderate (Fong) against Boxer.

Both lost.

The one thing in common about both races is Boxer was able to out-grudge match her opponents.

That won't be the case with Kaloogian. And Kaloogian showed in the Recall Gray Davis effort that he is artfully skilled at overcoming long odds and the political establishment to secure victory. He also accomplished a similar victory with his leadership of the Defend Reagan effort against CBS.

Howard's going to make a great GOP nominee to defeat Barbara Boxer!

37 posted on 12/18/2003 7:21:39 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: B Knotts
"But the situation we have here increasingly is people arguing that we should nominate liberals, "so we can win." In other words, don't vote for conservatives in the primary.

Isn't this a conservative website?

Yes it is - and when you have a conservative who has a demonstrated track record of winning...

+ Kaloogian won his three races for State Assembly. Elected with over 60% of the vote in 1994.

+ Kaloogian successfully led the Recall Gray Davis Committee which was instrumental in the unseating of Democrat Governor Gray Davis when many who seek "liberal-moderates who can win" were insisting that the recall would never go anywhere and if it DID qualify would surely lose.

+ Kaloogian led the Defend Reagan Committee which was instrumental in pressuring CBS to cancel the anti-Reagan smear piece "The Reagans."

.... so, when you have a conservative candidate who shows he/she has a strong track record of winning... well how can we NOT support him?!

39 posted on 12/18/2003 7:26:30 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
I hope you're right - I'm voting for any one of those 4 because there just isnn't any reason not to. The one area I thought later that my Dean analogy falls short is that Bush is a centrist while Boxer isn't even close. Anti-abortion has been a tough stance in CA in a General election though and Ca voters tend to tune out the rest of the message after they hear that. I'll just hope that with the mass exit of dot.bombers that maybe the demographics are a bit better in that area.
40 posted on 12/18/2003 7:35:34 PM PST by byteback
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