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Catholic Citizens of Illinois ^ | 12-16-03 | Barbara Kralis

Posted on 12/17/2003 7:59:15 PM PST by JesusThroughMary

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To: Tennessee_Bob
Yep. And pro-life organizations like CPC's are overloaded helping adopt out. I think you're right. And that is an area often overlooked by the anti-abortion crowd.
21 posted on 12/17/2003 8:34:23 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: drjimmy
Public schools around here, they can't take that without permission (ok, so it's Florida...)
22 posted on 12/17/2003 8:35:24 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Let them take it to school and see what happens though.
Same goes for the morning-after pill. It is a red herring to make it appear as if high school girls will be allowed to take the morning-after pill more easily than an aspirin.
23 posted on 12/17/2003 8:40:16 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: drjimmy
Making such obviously incorrect statements as this does not further your cause.

Obviously incorrect? Says who, you?

High school girls--and boys--can buy and take all the aspirin they want, without having to get permission from their parents.

. The policy in the high school in my town is no drugs without permission. I know because I signed the permission sheets when my girls were in high school.

I also never claimed that high school girls and boys could not buy or consume aspirin without permission from their parents.

But thanks for the advice on how to "further my cause".

Of course you could have commented on the desirability of making high dose birth control pills available over the counter to young girls and guys but the hubris clouded your vision.

24 posted on 12/17/2003 8:42:45 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TheAngryClam
The author of this article is not a nutcase. Just look at Europe if you want to know why. Or are you too addicted to birth control to see the facts when they stare you in the face?

Europe as we know it is a dying civilization. Pat Buchanan, in his book The Death of the West, uses United Nations statistics to project that the native populations of Europe will decrease by 70% in the next 100 years, simply because native Europeans are no longer having enough babies to reproduce themselves. In some European countries, the average woman is now having 1.1 babies in her lifetime. The number needed to maintain a population is 2.1.

The last time Europe’s population showed a drop remotely close to this magnitude was during the Black Plague of the 14th century. Nowadays, however, the deadly infection isn’t being carried by rats. It’s being carried by an ideology – one that bills itself as charitable, progressive, even Utopian. Indeed, the Planned Parenthood paradise of “unrestricted reproductive freedom” has materialized in post-Christian Europe during the early 21st century. Europe is exercising its “right to choose” and it is choosing cultural suicide. I hope the last European turns out the lights.

During the Black Death, the elderly died with the young. But the plague that envelops Europe today takes only the young. Of course, the nations of Europe have Social Security systems similar to ours, and as the people of these nations age, they are running out of young workers to fund their retirements. Reluctantly, they are allowing poor, uneducated immigrants from the Middle East and Africa to take the bottom rung jobs necessary to continue funding the retirement system. By the year 2100, these immigrants, mostly Muslims, will outnumber the native Europeans.

This next bit of information didn’t make the network news, but it represents the tip of a proverbial iceberg that I believe lies under the whole continent of Europe. It seems that a well-known psychology professor at the University of Aarhus in Denmark is now calling for state measures to encourage childbearing among intelligent people and discourage childbearing among those with low intellectual ability . . . to create what he calls a “better Danish society.”

Gee, I wonder where we’ve heard proposals like that before. More to the point, I wonder why this and similar ideas seem to be popping up all over Europe . . . right now, 60 years after the fall of the 3rd Reich.

What has brought Europe to this point? One would have hoped that these kinds of ideas died in a bunker in Berlin. The answer, I think, is that the native populations of Europe – the Danes, the Germans, the Italians, the Spaniards, the Swedes, the Dutch -- are scared stiff. Facing the specter of becoming minorities in their own countries, a great many native Europeans are beginning once again to embrace Adolf Hitler’s ideas about building a Master Race of superior citizens.

Not to get too melodramatic or anything, but we are in the midst of a battle of dominions and principalities. You can almost hear the flapping of satanic wings, can’t you?

Where should we look for our armor in this battle? Well, I suggest that we start by remembering who warned us about what would happen if Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, got her way. It has been the constant teaching of the Catholic Church for two thousand years that artificial contraception is gravely immoral. Until the middle of the last century, public policy broadly supported Church teaching in every Christian country on the planet, Catholic and Protestant alike.

But along came the “sexual revolution” of the 1960’s, creating in its maelstrom an anti-family and anti-life mindset -- the contraceptive mentality -- which has resulted in 40 million surgical abortions in the United States alone since 1973, and God only knows how many chemical abortions.

Concerning that last point, perhaps Planned Parenthood's most diabolical legacy is the birth control pill. Indeed, Margaret Sanger supplied the primary funding for pill research and development in the 1950’s.

Did you know that the common birth control pill results in the abortion of a tiny human being in a small but meaningful percentage of reproductive cycles? If you don’t believe me, check out the Physician’s Desk Reference at your local library. This is the volume that the pharmaceutical companies use to advise doctors concerning the chemical effects of their drugs. If you do so, you will discover that the “pill” not only prevents sperm from fertilizing egg; it is also formulated to kill tiny but genetically complete babies 5 to 7 days after fertilization, when necessary to abort pregnancies. Popular birth control products like Depo Provera kill tiny babies roughly 50% of the time. Intra-uterine devices do so 100% of the time.

Pope Paul VI, in his historic 1968 encyclical, Humanae Vitae, predicted that widespread use of artificial birth control would result in: • an increase in conjugal infidelity, • the general lowering of morality, • the loss of respect for women, • and it would be a dangerous weapon in the hands of public authorities.

If you are pretty depressed by all this, I can’t blame you. But I can tell you that despite this mess there is incredible reason for optimism.

Thankfully, just as the Church first warned us about the dangers of the contraceptive “paradise” promised by Margaret Sanger, the Church also provides the tools to “bruise the heel” of the serpent that lurks therein. The antidote to Planned Parenthood is the blood of our Savior. And we can arm ourselves with the blood of our Savior . . . and His body too . . . during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass . . . in the sacrament of the Eucharist.

We can also look to the Holy Mass to recruit powerful allies -- the angels and the saints. Most Christians, even most Catholics, don’t understand the fundamental proposition that worship is warfare. In the book of Revelation, God’s vengeance closely follows the prayers of the martyrs beneath His altar.

At Mass, we worship beside those martyrs as well as the angels. We call upon their help. Listen closely to the words which lead into the Holy, Holy, Holy: “Now, with all the angels and archangels, and the whole company of heaven, we sing the unending hymn of Your praise.”

The word “company,” as in the “whole company of heaven,” is a military term. Many Eastern liturgies refer to our alliance with the “hosts” of angels, like legions or divisions. In the Liturgy of St. Mark, we hear the prayer of the martyrs: “Crush under our feet Satan, and all his wicked influence. Humble now, as at all times, the enemies of Your Church. Lay bare their pride. Speedily show them their weakness. Bring to naught the wicked plots they contrive against us. Arise, O Lord, and let Your enemies be scattered, and let all who hate Your holy Name be put to flight.”

The Mass is nothing short of D-Day in the spiritual realm. It is our most potent weapon.

25 posted on 12/17/2003 8:46:03 PM PST by schmootman
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To: jwalsh07
SHould read:

I also never claimed that high school girls and boys could not buy or consume aspirin without permission from their parents outside of the school.

26 posted on 12/17/2003 8:48:33 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Here is exactly what you said:
From my vantage point, making this available over the counter absent age requirements is as extreme as it gets. High school girls can not take an aspirin without permission from the parents.

You explicitly attempted to compare the lack of age requirements for the morning-after pill with the need for high school girls to get parental permission to take an aspirin. Those are two completely different circumstances. There was nothing in the FDA advisory panel's "extreme" decision that said girls could take the morning-after pill without parental permission while at school.
27 posted on 12/17/2003 8:52:25 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: schmootman
Did you know that I find preventing implantation of a fertilized egg far less morally upsetting than interefering with it after implantation?

Furthermore, Buchanan, while making some good points, conflates two separate issues in his book. Race is most emphatically NOT the same thing as culture, but Buchanan is unable, or unwilling, to distinguish the two when he writes of the decline of Europe.

Western civilization is not, contrary to what Buchanan would have you believe, genetically inherent to only white Europeans. Rather, it is a cultural artifact that Europe has become increasingly unwilling to demand acceptance of by new immigrants.

Europe's problem is not declining birthrates, but failure to culturally assimilate the incoming migrants. It is the same problem that the United States is currently having with Mexican migrants along the Southern border.

The replacement of one type of genetic stock is utterly untroubling if there is a forced assimilation of the culture. This is why when the control of Europe permanently passed from the hands of the Mediterranean Greeks and Romans to the Germanic people (the Franks and the Goths, primarily), it was no great problem, since, while much was lost or changed, the basic core of European civilization remained intact, uniterrupted.

So don't give me that "Europe is aborting too many white babies to keep the middle easterners down!" garbage. Europe's problem is that it is too unwilling to demand that the immigrants to its nation change their attitudes and culture to the dominant one.

America has the same problem.
28 posted on 12/17/2003 8:58:48 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: drjimmy
I know exactly what I said pal and here's the nexus. The state regualtes the intake of drugs in high schools, prescription or otherwise.

Now the state is making available high dose birth control pills to girls of any age over the counter when the state requires a medical doctor to prescribe low dose birth control pills.

Whether you see or like that nexus ranks right up there in my list of concerns with Hussein being humiliated in Iraq.

29 posted on 12/17/2003 8:59:02 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
There is no nexus, you're drawing a connection that isn't there.

You can pop aspirin aplenty the second you set foot off high school grounds, and I challenge you to show me a single public high school where permission is not needed to take the morning after pill at the school.
30 posted on 12/17/2003 9:01:10 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: TheAngryClam
The state regulates both, comprende???????????
31 posted on 12/17/2003 9:02:12 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TheAngryClam
The new study, results of which were published in Lancet August, 1998, was sponsored by the Special Programme of Research, Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction (WHO/HRP), a program set up in 1972 by the World Health Organization to coordinate international efforts on priority research leads. WHO/HRP also supported the Hong Kong study and three other multicenter studies of the levonorgestrel tablet.

According to Dr. Sharon Camp, President of WCC

Sharon Camp, Ph.D., President of Women’s Capital Corporation (WCC), the U.S. distributor for Plan B. "We are really excited to be able to provide this important advance in emergency contraception to American women."

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(WOMENSENEWS)--U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, a Democrat from Washington state, and Congresswoman Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat, introduced congressional legislation on Wednesday that would allocate $10 million annually for five years to educate health care providers and the public about emergency contraception. It was one of the first salvos in a muscular new campaign in March designed to raise the profile of the emergency contraception products with lawmakers, regulators, health-care providers and the American public.

Some states aren't waiting for the FDA to act. West Coast women already have access to drugstore dispensation under laws passed in California and Washington state, and through a test project in Alaska. Four more states--Hawaii, Minnesota, New Hampshire and New York--also have legislation pending to permit pharmacists to provide women with emergency contraception.

"When American women see it move forward in Canada, we will see more furor for it to move similarly fast here," Camp said.

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"A critical mass is building on EC," said Kirsten Moore, president of the Reproductive Health Technologies Project in Washington, a nonprofit organization that is coordinating the campaign. "Pieces are falling into place on the supply side. Now is the time to push the demand side."

Single Momz

Sharon L. Camp, Ph.D., previously, as Senior Vice President of Population Action International, she managed professional staff involved in lobbying, media liaison, policy research and publications. Dr. Camp has chaired or served as an elected director on the boards of Family Health International, the National Council for International Health, the International Center for Research on Women, the Reproductive Health Technologies Project, the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association, EngenderHealth, Management Sciences for Health and Population Action International.

The Alan Guttmacher Institute-www.guttmacher.org-is a not-for-profit corporation for sexual and reproductive health research, policy analysis and public education, with offices in New York and Washington, D.C. We look forward to welcoming Dr. Camp to AGI, in January 2004.

32 posted on 12/17/2003 9:03:09 PM PST by kcvl
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To: jwalsh07
In exactly the same way, under the same circumstances.

What you're saying is that nuclear weapons and a slingshot are comparable, because there are laws governing access to both.
33 posted on 12/17/2003 9:03:47 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: kcvl
Uh-huh. And...?
34 posted on 12/17/2003 9:04:50 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: TheAngryClam
No, that' what you're inferring. Big difference.

The same analogy holds true for abortion. Girls who have not reached the age of majority can not take drugs in schools absent their parents permission but they can secure an abortion.

In Ct, these same girls can not get piercings absent parental permission but they can get abortions.

You following yet? The state is becoming a full partner in parental rights and the yahoos are cheering them on.

35 posted on 12/17/2003 9:08:13 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TheAngryClam
You don't have a problem with someone who creates a "demand", researches the "need", is the US DISTRIBUTOR for the product, lobbies for $$$ to "educate" the user, the doctor, the pharmacy, etc.? I think it's called a conflict of interest. I don't think I want or need her "advice". It's called an agenda.
36 posted on 12/17/2003 9:11:35 PM PST by kcvl
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To: jwalsh07
So you're using the school's prevention of the use of aspirin absent a permission slip as in loco parentis?

There's something loco here, but its not that...
37 posted on 12/17/2003 9:13:58 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: kcvl
I think that's called selling a product.

You know, like every other business on Earth does?
38 posted on 12/17/2003 9:15:19 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: TheAngryClam
So you're using the school's prevention of the use of aspirin absent a permission slip as in loco parentis?

You're pretty dense, eh?

There's something loco here, but its not that...

The state acts as the de facto parent when they facilitate underage girls having abortions absent the parents knowledge.

And after chatting with you, it is easy to see why they get away with it.

39 posted on 12/17/2003 9:19:01 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TheAngryClam
Not when it has to do with ruining lives. Especially from a so-called doctor who is creating the "emergency".

"Pieces are falling into place on the supply side. Now is the time to push the demand side."

40 posted on 12/17/2003 9:21:20 PM PST by kcvl
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