How legalizing gay marriage undermines society's morals

The Christian Science Monitor ^ | December 09, 2003 | Alan Charles Raul

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival." -- Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942). See also Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888).

"Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person...resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State." -- Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)

[Luis Gonzalez]

Bullcrap...it's about taxation.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"It is just illogical to include a class which never procreates into a legal status whose main purpose has to do with procreation."

My God man, but you are thick!

Here's a news flash!!!

Procreation can be achieved by same sex couples!!!!!

[NutCrackerBoy]

Procreation can be achieved by same sex couples!!!!!

How can the sexual act of a same-sex couple produce an offspring?

[NutCrackerBoy]

If I am wrong that your position is absurd, then it should be no problem for you to explain your way out of the conundrum I posed. To repeat:

Let's say there is a law passed that says only folks who can use their mouths to twist a cherry stem into a knot may be officially licensed as Stem-Twisters.

It seems you will throw out the law as unconstitutional because the constitution did not specifically empower government to ask that question.

Please engage this instead of running to generalities like you did the last time.

[NutCrackerBoy]

It's about taxation.

I didn't get how that related to my post.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Lesbian couples, just like heterosexual couples unable to procreate, can use in vitro, surrogates, etc.

Homosexual men can use surrogates.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Try sticking to adult arguments, and not idiotic statements like that.

Do you, or do you not recognize that all power that government has stems from the people, and is detailed in the Constitution?

[MHGinTN]

State laws define civilian rights ... look at your driver's license, Luis. Homosexual degeneracy is not civil life, Luis, so how is it that folks want to give the practitioners of this degeneracy special definition and special civil standings contrary to historical society, historical civil order?

[MHGinTN]

Actually, my friend, it is possible (though very risky at present) for a male to carry an embryo/fetus/baby to term with cesarean delivery by implantation in the liver tissues. Two male gametes may soon be fused to create a 46 chromosome complement for cloning purposes, also.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The day men have to give birth will signal the end of mankind.

[MHGinTN]

Homosexuals may 'want to', but your reference to 'have to, well, I don't see men giving in to the feminazis in our species' future ... God arranged things too well the way they are.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Marvin, you and I hjave gone around and arounbd this subject before, and we don't agree on this.

People are citizens, and their choice of adult, consensual, non-incestuous sexual partner is not decided by your opinion, my opinion, nor the government's opinion.

God is in charge of passing judgement on that, not you, me, or the civil government.

Your choice, if you believe homosexuality to be "degeneracy" is not to engage in it, or make homosexuals aware of your particular religious beliefs of theor life style.

Period.

[NutCrackerBoy]

Procreation can be achieved by same sex couples!!!!! -Luis Gonzalez,423

How can the sexual act of a same-sex couple produce an offspring? -NutCrackerBoy,424

Lesbian couples, just like heterosexual couples unable to procreate, can use in vitro, surrogates, etc.

Homosexual men can use surrogates.

Irrelevant! You are giving me scientific procedures and social arrangements and I am talking about the simple fact that the sexual act is the fundamental act of procreation.

[MHGinTN]

Are you preachin', my friend?... I don't think it serves any good for our fellow humankind who are trapped in degeneracy , to pretend that God winks at their degeneracy ... just as adulterers should be confronted for their sake, also.

[NutCrackerBoy]

Do you, or do you not recognize that all power that government has stems from the people, and is detailed in the Constitution?

Yes, I do.

Now answer the conundrum I posed. It is quite simple.

[MHGinTN]

The union of gametes is 'sexual reproduction'. The fun part is the getting the gametes together ... and is a behavior best undertaken within marriage and vows of fidelity.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"You are giving me scientific procedures and social arrangements and I am talking about the simple fact that the sexual act is the fundamental act of procreation."

BS NutBoy, ejaculation is the fundamental act of procreation, and this society of yours, the one you are constantly holding up as defending marriage in the name of procreation, kills one million fetuses a year in the name of "choice".

So you will excuse me when I don't buy a single word of your crap about "society" preserving the fundamental act of procreation by defending heterosexual marriage.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"I don't think it serves any good for our fellow humankind who are trapped in degeneracy , to pretend that God winks at their degeneracy."

Do you pretend to speak for God Marvin?

I'm talking abouit civil government, not about what God may or may not do.

[MHGinTN]

I certainly do point to what He says in His Word regarding their degeneracy. As you are aware, I would not presume to speak 'for' God, as merely a stumbling servant soul.