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Hating Bush (Cathryn Crawford)
Washington Dispatch ^ | December 5, 2003 | Cathryn Crawford

Posted on 12/05/2003 8:26:01 AM PST by Scenic Sounds

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To: subterfuge
Clinton's second term is what woke up millions of Americans to the sham that is the Democratic Party imho.

(snicker)

And thats why the 2000 election was so close eh? Millions woke up?...obviously it wasn't enough. Their sham continues...but their too dense to realize they're shooting themselves in the foot with Dean. However...there were plenty of dumba**es who showed up to vote for Gore...and they'll be plenty of sheeple/fifth column socialists/queers/welfare sugardaddys/soccer moms/Ithicans/DU posters/enviroweenies/run-of-the-mill liberals/Pro-Union/Pro-NEA/Pro-more governemt/Islamic sympathizers/anti-American maggots that will show up to vote for one of the 9(?) dwarfs.

Never take ANYTHING for granted.

101 posted on 12/05/2003 11:28:06 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: MEG33
Noted!
102 posted on 12/05/2003 11:29:01 AM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Susan Estrich had an article in the LA Times this week about attending a "hate Bush" party. She doesn't think it will help the Democrats to become too much the party of "Bush Haters."

And, indeed, it usually doesn't help a party, movement, or candidacy to become too closely identified with negative emotions, rather than with positive aspirations. Under ordinary circumstances the public is generally saner and more grounded than true partisans are, so there's usually a backlash. The condecension of liberal gentry and academics towards those they dislike strikes a jarring note and arouses sympathy in the general public. For many who aren't particularly enthusiastic about President Bush, his war and his policies, the old lines about Grover Cleveland apply: "they love him ... for the enemies he has made."

It looks to me like there are three aspects of Bush hatred: 1) the haters disagree with Bush on the issues, 2) they think he doesn't belong in the Presidency, that he didn't earn it, that he's a lightweight, a dunce, or the illegitimate beneficiary of a bloodless coup d'état and 3) they think he really may have the power and ability to change things in the country. The public comes at things from a different angle than the thoroughgoing partisans. What matters to them is how Bush is doing as President, and whether he benefits the country.

103 posted on 12/05/2003 11:29:51 AM PST by x
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
There are still conservative dems in the South that will always vote for Dems.Yellow dog democrats.I can't explain it but they are convinced the Republicans caused the great depression.
104 posted on 12/05/2003 11:32:33 AM PST by MEG33
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Dean is winning the nomination process at this time because there are many that are angry with Bush and Dean appears to voice that anger the best. The truth is, however, he not electable. The best shot would be Clark/Gephardt, Edwards/Kerry, Gephardt/Edwards, or anything that features a conservative Democrat from the South...
105 posted on 12/05/2003 11:36:23 AM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Scenic Sounds
I've given this matter a lot of thought and studied it extensively. I've learned that the vast majority of those who hate Bush and who suffer from BDS are Generation X folks and younger. Nearly all of us who are baby-boomers love President Bush are sticking with him!!!

It's those younger folks. What can we do with them? ;-)

If I were you, I'd be more worried about what all these Gen-X folks w/BDS do to you once you reach retirement age and are no longer "a productive citizen".

I might also say that you don't have a clue. Its mostly the Gen-Xers (I hate that term) that are having kids, are deciding to homeschool them, having the mom stay home with the kids, taking a stand for traditional family values,etc, etc, and generally moving the country more conservative IMHO.

106 posted on 12/05/2003 11:37:00 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
...watching a big man finally kick the crap out of the dog that’s been nipping its heels. You feel a bit sorry for the dog, but you thoroughly enjoy watching.

Thanks, Cathryn

107 posted on 12/05/2003 11:39:11 AM PST by UnklGene
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To: dwd1
Have you heard Clark speak?He is really not ready for prime time.His comments about his sources about some of his accusations are laughable.
108 posted on 12/05/2003 11:39:46 AM PST by MEG33
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Generation X people feel like they never had it as good as the previous generation and that their turn at bat never came... They also feel like they inherited a lot meaner world and they do what they must to protect their own interests....

If and when they get the power, you should not feel that you can appeal to their better nature to help you if you are in need...

Get your stuff together if you have not. They will look more to their own interests than to the interests of the past or future generations....
109 posted on 12/05/2003 11:45:00 AM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: MEG33
He is definitely not a Colin Powell but that Brooks guy isn't available... :-)

I agree he needs work... This is why I think he should have considered the Senate or Congress.... Since 1900, there has been only one military officer that has gone straight to the White House... History is not on his side... And he has to remember that his staff will not be subject to the UCMJ so he will have to treat them like people and not cattle...

He may be a viable VP candidate if he can get his foot out of his mouth....
110 posted on 12/05/2003 11:49:02 AM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: RJCogburn
I have a very big shock for you.

Americans want and desire big government. This is not a slim majority, but a massive majority who feel this way.

The way to reduce government is not to elect people today who want to make draconian cuts, but to educate those around you of the benefits of smaller government. This takes time and a lot of work, but it is the only way to a smaller government.

Look at it this way, Kerry accused Dean of cutting Medicaid in Vermont while he was Governor in a recent debate. Dean responded that he slowed the growth, he didn't cut Medicaid. Kerry said, "If it was budgeted for a 15% increase and you reduced it to a 10% increase, that's a cut!"

Like it or not, that is how the vast majority of Americans view things as it applies to governmental spending.

I recently explained to a neighbor that was what they thought a cut was. He said they are right, that is a cut. So, I offered to buy him lunch to continue talking about it. We had a burger and fries at a local Braums and I said I would spring for an icecream too. But a second later, I said, "O that's right, I left my other money at home, sorry." He said, "Don't worry about it, you paid for lunch already." I then said, "You don't mind that I cost you money by cutting the budget?" It took him a second and then he smiled and dropped his head. He got it. An increase of 10% is still an increase, even if it had been budgeted for more at a previous point. But that's a hard concept for many people out there.

That is what we are up against.

111 posted on 12/05/2003 11:52:28 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The other thing that needs to be addressed is that we tend to resort to the government first instead of last. I think it has a lot to do with the "social contract" thing, but the truth is the government is not that good at keeping promises... Self reliance is the goal we should all pursue... However, when we want protection from corporations, the government is who we look to...
And we probably would not have such an attitude about the government if they didn't take so much of our money(that's right....OUR MONEY!!!)
We need a little work in this area...
112 posted on 12/05/2003 11:56:43 AM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Good article. We need some more of that in the 'Daily Texan'. They probably wouldn't print it, though.
113 posted on 12/05/2003 11:57:31 AM PST by Flightdeck
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To: dwd1
OOoops...I'm a X'er myself. (DOB in 1974)

Generation X people feel like they never had it as good as the previous generation and that their turn at bat never came...

I don't know about that...me personally...I think "I have it" better than my parent and grandparents financially; if that's what you mean. But no solver spoon here...I worked for everything I have.

They also feel like they inherited a lot meaner world and they do what they must to protect their own interests....

I have to agree here. Can you blame me (us)?

If and when they get the power, you should not feel that you can appeal to their better nature to help you if you are in need...

You're damn tootin there. I'll take care of my own wife, kids, parents, and help out a personal friend/neighbor who is in dire need. I'll voluntarily contribute to the charities of my choosing. But I'll be damed to be expected to forego more and more of my money to more and more government handouts/hardluck cases. Get your stuff together if you have not.

I have.

They will look more to their own interests than to the interests of the past or future generations...

And I will...except for my own family and personal friends. I will also ALWAYS be conservative...and am raising conservative-minded pro-American children...and in America's best interest.

114 posted on 12/05/2003 12:01:00 PM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The way to reduce government is not to elect people today who want to make draconian cuts, but to educate those around you of the benefits of smaller government.

And perhaps the most effective way to do that is to field candidates who'll make the case for smaller government, even if it means supporting a 3rd party. Let's face it: people are not going to come around to a particular idea if it appears that the entire mainstream is against it. So with Democrats being Democrats, and Republicans like Bush saying that conservatism by itself is uncompassionate, people are going to have nowhere to go, regardless of how cogent your arguments might be. You might convince a handful here and there, but you're not going to really make a whole lot of headway under these circumstances. We hear alot that the leaders follow the views of the people, but just as often, if not more often, it's the other way around.

115 posted on 12/05/2003 12:03:56 PM PST by inquest (Government: Guilty until proven innocent)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Born in 1963 and I understand why you feel as you do....

Someone told me that cynicism is a result of a broken heart and severe disappointment...

I think the book "Who moved my cheese?" is on point... So many of the rules I was raised with and the expectations I was taught to believe in turned out to be taken away... No trust in government, no reason to work forty years for the same company and think you will be taken care of, no reason to think that the police will protect you and your community from criminals, no reason to believe that the United States is not going to experience terrorism...

God, family, and then country... In that order...

In God I trust...Everyone else needs collateral, two forms of ID, and a major credit card (Background Checks optional).... :-)


Our generation has learned that we can not depend on the promises of others... We can only depend on and pursue the promises we make to ourselves...


116 posted on 12/05/2003 12:11:29 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Cathryn Crawford
As usual nice reading your cogent and well presented thoughts.

I think the "Hate Bush" industry is more a media invention than reality. I don't think it has near the steam the "hate Clinton's" movement had, but I am a bit prejudiced and could be wrong. I don't think so.

Personally I like Mr. Bush. I don't like much of his domestic agenda and that bothers me as it brings to question issues that go to just how much integrity does he really have. I want to like him. I need to like him as I do have great loathing for the Democrat party and the vast majority of their elected representatives at the national level.

As I age I become more and more frustrated at the "politics as usual" practiced by both major political parties.

But also, as I age, I get to the point of accepting there isn't much I can do about it from way out here in the bleacher seats. So I, often, just hold my nose and vote for the best viable candidate. Unfortunately these days I find voting for negative reasons out weigh voting for the positive reasons. It is not so much that I vote and support someone or something as I oppose much more the antagonist in the equation.

Long rant, but feel better getting off my chest.

Thanks again for alerting me to your missives. I enjoy them.

117 posted on 12/05/2003 12:23:16 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: ImpBill
Please be advised that many, many others share your opinion...
118 posted on 12/05/2003 12:29:56 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: JohnGalt
well you are not the only old geezer around here. not sure where all the other old geezers are but we are still hanging around. speaking of which it's been awhile since ive seen you around!:)
119 posted on 12/05/2003 12:40:10 PM PST by suzyq5558 (american reporters, lunatic's on parade.....)
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To: dwd1
I believe so. iam reading Legacy as we speak and it was the gingrich congress that made welfore reform happen.clinton vetoed it twice before signing,he realized it was not an issue he could afford to veto again. and i believe that it was all part of the contract with america.
120 posted on 12/05/2003 12:44:22 PM PST by suzyq5558 (american reporters, lunatic's on parade.....)
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