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The Pain of Coping When a Job Is Snatched Away
The New York Times ^ | December 1, 2003 | JILL ANDRESKY FRASER

Posted on 12/01/2003 4:31:00 PM PST by Willie Green

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To: Poohbah
I think all Times reporters are interchangeable. You are never surprised by the angle they take on any story.
41 posted on 12/01/2003 5:00:27 PM PST by speedy
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To: Desert88
Yes, using composites is considered a valid way to illustrate a larger point. Plus, it saves a lot of time and expense.
42 posted on 12/01/2003 5:01:53 PM PST by speedy
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To: Sam's Army
Thus speaks another Dean supporter.

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I am not a Dean supporter. I am a Goldwater-Reagan conservative who is sick of useless mindless rich kids using this nation as a prestigious toy to play with. That list of kids includes the Kennedys, Kerrys, Rockefellers, and the Bushs.

43 posted on 12/01/2003 5:02:34 PM PST by RLK
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To: Grampa Dave
From Reuters (really):

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. factory activity rocketed to its fastest pace since 1983 in November and construction spending hit another record high the prior month, according to reports on Monday showing the economy's rapid growth is starting to turn the tide of three years of job losses.

The rest of the article about this current **cough** Depression is here under the title: Factory Growth Fastest in 20 Years.

44 posted on 12/01/2003 5:04:09 PM PST by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: MikeWUSAF
That's a very insensitive comment.

Boo-effin'-hoo. I spent eight years in the Marines. Sensitivity training is wasted on us.

I'll give 'em a sympathy chit and the key to the weep locker.

It is devastating to have to switch from a Mercedes-Benz to a Ford Taurus.

Not to mention having to shop with the peasants at Costco.

45 posted on 12/01/2003 5:05:00 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: All
Here is the chart from the link I posted above. This chart enabled me to win $100 from a vile reader of the NY Slimes. She was quoting the 8% at dinner this weekend. I made a bet that she was wrong. She will not pay but her husband mailed the check to me after I emailed him this chart.


46 posted on 12/01/2003 5:05:07 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: mountaineer
Gee, why do you suppose that Brasilian or Chinese steel is so relatively cheap, and why would U.S. automakers rather buy the foreign stuff?

Maybe it's because they don't have to adhere to the same stringent environmental regulations that are imposed on our domestic industry.

Steel production is NOT a labor intensive industry.

And U.S. steelmaking technology is unsurpassed when measured in terms of tons/employee.

Please learn something about this issue before babbling this nonsense again.

47 posted on 12/01/2003 5:05:40 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Willie, there are 240,000,000 citizens in the USA and and you have a addiction to a small percentage of folks that are poised to make a career change for the betterment of their lives. Please seek help before it's too late...
48 posted on 12/01/2003 5:06:13 PM PST by tubebender (FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...)
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To: RLK
the reason why so many were blindsided over the last few years is that were lulled by a sense of entitlement coupled with a lack of intellectual curiosity.

In other words, a lot of folks felt that they were entitled to a living and that they didn't have to learn anything new.

After losing a six-figure job a year ago, and after determining that I had gotten soul-deep sick of the whole corporate run-around, I started my own business. It's making us a modest living, no small thing here in the wilds of Northern Idaho. It can be done - it just takes a little creativity, ambition and most of all, a self-reliant spirit. Which, of course, flies in the face of the liberal politics of victimism.

49 posted on 12/01/2003 5:06:46 PM PST by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: Skooz
Even Reuters has had to write news about the recovery.
50 posted on 12/01/2003 5:06:48 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Speaking from experience.

I got laid off two weeks after 9/11. I was a 10 year employee making well over 100k per year. I had a 401k with over 200k which I depleted to pay bills, taxes, mortgage and cost of opening a business.

Business failed to meet expectations and when I went thru all my savings trying to save everything I was forced to file for Chapter 7 Bankruptcy.

Still looking for the right career, still trying to make it on my own in a new business adventure. I would prefer the later since I feel it is a better opportunity for me in the long run.

But for this article's rants and raves about the economy, I would STRONGLY DISAGREE with its message. It maybe tough out there, but you can survive. (Maybe not on the grandscale as they are use to living, but surviving non the less)

I believe we are already seeing one of the best recoveries this country has ever seen! I belive in Tax Cuts and Bush.

We don't need a big nanny (read Hillary)for government, way to many people like sit and complain about their lives, yet few are willing to do what is necessary for themselves or their families to move forward.

In sales and in life "pessimism sells newspapers, optimism sells everything else!"* Just my two cents....

51 posted on 12/01/2003 5:08:08 PM PST by tempe
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To: Willie Green
My father lost "his" job after 37 years and get the bare annuity for "retirement". (Corporate Bust Out!!) So I moved home to help out. I'm single and childless and I'm employed in a job a loathe.

Lessons:

1) My father's job was never HIS...it was THEIRS the whole time.

2)America...quit your f****** complaining. I'm 40, never married, no kids, lousy job...and can I still laugh at the liberals.

3)A 40 y/o son and a 70 y/o father is a better living arrangement than, like, ALL of my friends who are up their asses in mortgages (our house is paid for), bitchy wives, snot nosed kids they can't afford...and, of course, lousy jobs!!!!

4)I can drink...smoke...gamble...chase divorced women...eat whatever the hell I want...and laugh at the liberals...

...and there's no one around to bother me about it!!

52 posted on 12/01/2003 5:08:25 PM PST by tbg681
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To: RLK
FReeper since '98, Bush hater to the bone.

You might want to make that yer tagline.

53 posted on 12/01/2003 5:08:31 PM PST by Eaker (When the SHTF, I'll go down with a cross in one hand, and a Glock in the other.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for posting this great chart. And I'm sorry you had to go to dinner with someone who not only spouts disinformation, but welshes on her bets, too. Hope you didn't get indigestion!!
54 posted on 12/01/2003 5:08:58 PM PST by speedy
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To: Willie Green
I'm well aware of the environmental regulations. But you're fooling yourself if you don't think that 1) bad management and 2) big fat union contracts aren't more responsible for the destruction of the American steel industry. Educate myself, WG? I live right here in the Upper Ohio Valley. Every day is an education.
55 posted on 12/01/2003 5:09:50 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: tempe
Outstanding post! I have no doubt you will make it beyond your wildest expectations.

Your spirit is the kind that built this nation.
56 posted on 12/01/2003 5:10:04 PM PST by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: MikeWUSAF
You posted:

That's a very insensitive comment.

It is devastating to have to switch from a Mercedes-Benz to a Ford Taurus.

Actually, my wife went from driving a problem plagued Sable to a very nice Lexus, thanks to the terrible Bush economy and my terrible investments the past year. :)
57 posted on 12/01/2003 5:10:19 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: Willie Green
I see a lot of people who spent like their was no tomorrow.
58 posted on 12/01/2003 5:10:19 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: MikeWUSAF
I'm going to quit my job as a Computer Systems Engineer and get a job as a steelworker!

I would too, 'cept Moe told me they're all gay.
59 posted on 12/01/2003 5:11:07 PM PST by Xenalyte (We work hard . . . we play hard!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
You are right, the $20,000 combined income does not ring true. Even if the both of them made just the minimum wage and worked just 40 hours a week, they'd still make over $20,000.

But most jobs in Massachusetts pay more than the minimum wage. Entry level supermarket and fast food jobs pay over $7 an hour and these jobs are worked mostly by teenage kids living at home and elderly people looking to supplement their Social Security. It would seem that this couple should have no problem rising quickly above that level if they ever had to do that line of work because those places are always starved for good management candidates.

I have a relative in New Hampshire who found himself out of work and he took a job at the local Wal-Mart. At first, he was driving forklifts at night, stocking shelves, making just a couple dollars above minimum wage. But he was quickly recognized as a hard worker and within six months, he was made a shift supervisor and nearly doubled his pay. He would have had quite a career going for himself there today had he not been recalled back to the job he was laid off at (where he makes about $30 an hour as a machinist).

BTW, if you were to work your way up to managing a Wal-Mart store (most Wal-Mart managers started at the bottom stocking shelves and whatnot), you could expect to make well into six figures. Working these jobs need not be a dead-end experience. Opportunities abound for those who are willing to grab them.

60 posted on 12/01/2003 5:12:05 PM PST by SamAdams76 (197.8 (-102.2) - Merry Christmas!)
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