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AARP has no business lobbying on Medicare
Houston Chronicle ^ | November 29, 2003 | DALE VAN ATTA

Posted on 11/30/2003 1:50:56 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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Nothing wrong with voters lobbying Congress. The real problem is how the media reports on these groups. For example the NEA is the number one Democratic Party campaign contributor (money and muscle) and the media always gets it in that they are for the children not that they are for the Left. No other union gets this kind of pass. The AARP was given special status too. I guess the bloom is off the rose.

1 posted on 11/30/2003 1:50:57 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Medicare's impact on the senior vote [Full Text] WASHINGTON - By pushing through a prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients after years of congressional gridlock, President Bush has fulfilled a key campaign promise - and given himself and the Republican Party a potential boost with what could be the most critical voting bloc in 2004: senior citizens.

The bill represents the most sweeping change to Medicare in the program's 38-year history. Depending on how it plays out, it could alter the nation's political landscape by giving Republicans a major stake in an issue Democrats have claimed ownership of for decades.

More broadly, it could wind up reshaping the political allegiance of one of the most potent voting groups in America - one that, almost since the advent of Medicare, Social Security, and other federal entitlement programs, has been a solid Democratic constituency.

"If the Democrats don't win among seniors, they don't win the election, pure and simple," says Glen Bolger, a GOP pollster. "Democrats are gambling that this is a law that seniors ultimately won't like, and that they'll take it out on the supporters of it. But in gambling on that, they're also running the risk that seniors will say, 'Look, we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good - and this is a good bill.' "

Certainly, how the issue plays out will depend in part on the practical impact of the bill as it takes effect over the course of the next year and beyond. Some seniors may be dismayed to learn that the bulk of the benefit won't take effect until 2006, and Democrats argue the measure could backfire, causing some seniors to lose their current drug coverage, and raising premiums for others. Over the long term, Democrats say the bill will endanger Medicare overall by putting it into competition with private insurers.

But Republicans and some neutral observers say that while the bill may be imperfect, for many seniors the simple fact that Congress has finally passed something, after years of promises, constitutes a victory. And if the new drug benefit increases Mr. Bush's support among seniors by even a small margin, it could significantly bolster his chances of reelection.

Neither party is underestimating the importance of the senior vote, which often plays a critical role in elections, since older voters have a higher and more reliable turnout rate than any other group.

"They're the tried and true backbone of the electorate," says Susan MacManus, a political science professor at the University of South Florida, and author of "Targeting Senior Voters." "They will show up no matter what."

The shifting senior vote

And while seniors once tilted decidedly Democratic, they have evolved in recent years into one of the most hotly contested swing votes in the nation.

Much of the shift is simply generational: The oldest seniors, who were shaped by the FDR years and tend to be more dependent on government entitlements, still lean Democratic. But those under 70 are more likely to have spent their formative years under Eisenhower. They tend to be wealthier, and are often willing to align themselves with the GOP.

In the 2000 election, 47 percent of people over 60 voted Republican, compared with 44 percent in 1996. In the 2002 midterm elections, Republicans won the senior vote by five points. Significantly, several top swing states being targeted in 2004 by both parties - such as Florida and Pennsylvania - also have high concentrations of older voters, which could give them even more sway in the outcome.

To some extent, Professor MacManus says, the senior vote increasingly resembles that of the nation at large. "The electorate is divided - and that division holds true among seniors as well, up to around age 70," she says.

Indeed, early reactions of senior voters to the bill often seem to reflect party affiliation more than anything else. In Green Valley, Ariz., a retirement community south of Tucson, for instance, sentiment is clearly mixed. Republican Ray Greeley believes his party is doing the right thing. "I don't think retirees would have it as good today under Clinton," he says. "We need to change the Medicare system one way or another, and I think Bush will leave it in good shape."

But Democrat Sandra Stone is worried. "I think the Republicans are trying to privatize something that doesn't need to be privatized," says the retired high school teacher. "The Democrats are at least trying to keep Medicare going."

Pocketbook may drive politics

Still, the bottom line may ultimately trump party loyalty, if seniors wind up getting some relief on their prescription drug bill. Among many older voters, the prevailing sentiment is: "Politicians can argue about the minutiae and the long-term consequences and everything, but we want relief and we want it now," says MacManus.

Aside from their feelings about the details of the bill, many Democrats and Republicans agree that something had to be done, given the escalating cost of prescription drugs. In Green Valley, Democrat Ellie Kurtz says insurance from her husband's former employer covers the cost of prescriptions, but acknowledges not everyone has that advantage.

"We're lucky," she says. "It's terrible for a lot of people, many of them paying $500 or more at the pharmacy every month."

At the sprawling senior center in Garner, N.C., residents had so many concerns about the bill that they sent a letter to Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R). Director Torrey Blackmar, who spends hours helping seniors fill out Medicare and Medicaid forms, believes that the benefit will prove confusing. "A lot of people are going to think they're covered, and find out they're not," she says.

Despite the bill's flaws, Ms. Blackmar adds that's it's "probably a good thing" overall. Sidney Jordan, a resident at the center who complains that the Democratic Party "left me behind a long time ago," says Republicans should get credit for having taken action - something Democrats didn't do when they were in power. "This is something Democrats have been talking about for a long time, but now the Republicans are the ones who approved it," he says. "At the very least, it's a step in the right direction."

Yet others are still withholding judgment. Retired state worker George Smith, who's filling up his Ford Ranger in the nearby town of Clayton, believes the benefit may ultimately prove disappointing. Although he agrees Republicans will get "a lot of mileage" out of the measure, he notes that with drug prices rising by as much as 15 percent a year, the full value of the benefits will have decreased substantially by the time they take effect in 2006. And he deems the overall $400 billion price tag too high for a country "that's already broke." [End]

2 posted on 11/30/2003 2:00:54 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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WINNERS AND LOSERS: Senate majority leader Bill Frist (l.) holds up a prescription discount card while extolling the virtues of a Medicare overhaul that his party passed. Democratic Sens. Tom Daschle and Edward Kennedy (r.) opposed the bill. KEVIN LAMARQUE/REUTERS
3 posted on 11/30/2003 2:05:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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When he opposed their positions, the former president recalled, "They'd be all over me like ugly on an ape.

This is a clear case of apeism.

4 posted on 11/30/2003 2:18:54 AM PST by wideminded
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They are the 800 pound gorilla.
5 posted on 11/30/2003 2:22:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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"AARP has no business lobbying on Medicare"

Beware the intentions of interested parties. AARP is interested in growing their membership, and takes positions that augment that membership. Frankly, AAA does a better job of providing services to seniors, and confines their lobbying only to technical questions of legal applications, not in arguing ideology, which is clearly the case in supporting expansion of Medicare entitlements.

The prescription drug provisions of this most recent legislation are distressing in the extreme. Either it is not enough, or far too much. The Medical Savings Account, in conjunction with catastrophic coverage for extraordinary medical expenses is one of the better provisions written into the bill, and perhaps if something could be included that extended coverage of the cost of drugs as part of the MSA, with similar catastrophic coverage as the costs reached a threshhold, may be an alternative to be considered.

6 posted on 11/30/2003 3:29:07 AM PST by alloysteel
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The Medical Savings Account, in conjunction with catastrophic coverage for extraordinary medical expenses is one of the better provisions written into the bill, and perhaps if something could be included that extended coverage of the cost of drugs as part of the MSA, with similar catastrophic coverage as the costs reached a threshhold, may be an alternative to be considered.

The Democrats see this looming on the horizon. Good Lord! The electorate have control over some of their money. There goes a chunk of our political power.

7 posted on 11/30/2003 3:35:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Bingo - you've called it again, CW. They can lobby all they want. If they don't represent their members (or cheese them off enough), they'll lose membership.

This group (AARP) is obviously heavily populated with liberal democrats. They throw thier weight around just as much as unions, trial lawyers, Hollywood, etc. Now the Left likes to suggest that R's have corporate America in their back pocket. But the reality is that corporate campaign contributions tend to be about evenly divided between the parties. Heck, the right can't even lay claim to the so-called "radical Christian right" for votes, since only about half of those bother to vote (on a good day).

8 posted on 11/30/2003 4:12:53 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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But, But , I dont undertsnad? When the AARP was in the Dems pocket they were a great organisation?
9 posted on 11/30/2003 4:39:42 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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"Beware the intentions of interested parties. AARP is interested in growing their membership, and takes positions that augment that membership."

That's it!

End of story

10 posted on 11/30/2003 5:10:35 AM PST by G.Mason (If they are Democrats they are expendable)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Tell it like it is! You dont see these articles coming from the media when it concerns the Democrats and the AARP.
The real problem is most people dont really know what the outcome of this will be and had the Democrats pushed it the media would have been silent.
I am a senior and have mixed feeling and all that I really know is in most cases anything government runs is not held accountable and is loaded with fraud annd waste, those two things you can bet on.
11 posted on 11/30/2003 5:47:44 AM PST by gunnedah
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"The character of the group formerly known as the American Association of Retired Persons is once again of significant interest after AARP on Oct. 14 strongly endorsed the largely Republican-written $400 billion Medicare prescription drug bill."

The key to this attack on AARP is the word Republican in the quote above. AARP has fled the liberal plantation in the dark of the night and now massa gots to whips them.

No huge lobbying group speaks for all its members, it is impossible.

12 posted on 11/30/2003 5:56:15 AM PST by DeepDish (Depleted uranium and democrats are a lot alike. They've both been sucked dry of anything useful)
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So very true.
13 posted on 11/30/2003 5:56:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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AARP, like so many other "non-profit" corporations should be a regular corporation and TAXED just like a regular corporation. It's absurd that the American taxpayer provides subsudies to AARP.
14 posted on 11/30/2003 5:58:39 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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You also don't see articles like this when it comes to the AFL-CIO. Even though a sizable percentage of union workers vote Republican, the Union, never endorses Republican bills.

One small exception is when the Teamsters supported drilling in the Artic, and then we saw these same kind of articles against them.

15 posted on 11/30/2003 6:00:52 AM PST by codercpc
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That's why the stealth Hillary Care ala universal health care ala failed Canadian/United Kindom health care sank like a rock. Of course they're using public schools to bring it in the back door. Public Schools are funded with 50% of states' budgets and billions in federal funds. They don't educate, preferring to indoctrinate (pick up a text book and read it) and swell the ranks of the DNC. Why does this madness continue?
16 posted on 11/30/2003 6:01:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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***In 1972, the Teamsters backed then-President Nixon, a Republican, but they stayed neutral in 1976. They supported Ronald Reagan, another Republican, in 1980 and 1984, and endorsed Bush's father, also the GOP nominee, in 1988.

In 1992, however, the Teamsters abandoned Bush and joined the AFL-CIO - of which it is the largest member - in endorsing Democrat Bill Clinton. In 1996, the union did not endorse President Clinton, but also rejected the GOP candidate, Bob Dole, because of his ties to corporate interests. ***Souce April 2000

17 posted on 11/30/2003 6:05:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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I guess the bloom is off the rose

This hit piece on the AARP was placed on the top half, front page, of the Editorial section. This is just another example of why I cancelled my subscription over a year ago. The Houston Chronicle is nothing more than Liberal, Democrat agenda supporting, ass-wiping material!

...my wife brought one home while shopping Sat., she knows I miss my Sunday comics & sports.

18 posted on 11/30/2003 6:10:19 AM PST by TexasCajun
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BINGO! I was thinking the exact same thing....LOL.
19 posted on 11/30/2003 6:12:43 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama
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When the AARP was in the Dems pocket they were a great organisation?

Virtual saints!

20 posted on 11/30/2003 6:21:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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