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Friedman: The Chant Not Heard
The New York Times ^
| 11/30/03
| THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Posted on 11/29/2003 2:21:02 PM PST by Pokey78
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:21:02 PM PST
by
Pokey78
To: Pokey78
First, even though the Bush team came to this theme late in the day, this war is the most important liberal, revolutionary U.S. democracy-building project since the Marshall Plan.ROTFLMAO!! Yeah, right, Tom. Bush just invaded Iraq at random to blow up things, cause he likes things that go BOOM! It was intelligent liberals like yourself who whispered in his ear, "Hey, now that we're actually there, why don't we build a democracy?" Cause till then, old boy was just going around making buildings go BOOM, right? Clapping his hands together, saying "Oooo, pretty lights!"
I think these folks actually believe this. Astounding.
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:29:28 PM PST
by
wizardoz
("They're not Americans; they're Democrats." -NetValue)
To: Pokey78
"In general," says Robert Wright, author of "Nonzero," "too few who opposed the war understand the gravity of the terrorism problem, and too few who favored it understand the subtlety of the problem." How true. And Leftists think Bush is stupid. But then, Friedman is chief among leftist idiots if he thinks his crying in the wilderness will create "something more to the left than anti-Bushism." The left is blinded by their rage, repeating their own lies, incapable of generating a new thought, and has no desire to constructively help their nation anyway. They can't "take it from here" because they don't even know where HERE, THERE, or SOMEWHERE is these days.
To: Pokey78
"Believe me, being a liberal on every issue other than this war, I have great sympathy for where the left is coming from. And if I didn't, my wife would remind me.
"The World's Stupidest Bottom Burp...Thomas L. Friedman...New York Times!"
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:34:48 PM PST
by
Itzlzha
(The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
To: Pokey78
These idiots would blame Bush if an airliner hijacked by Islamic terrorists crashed into Big Ben.
To: Itzlzha
Once in every lifetime,
Comes a love like this,
Oh I need you, you need me,
Oh my darling cant you see. Young Ones.
Darling were the Young Ones. Young Ones.
Shouldnt be afraid. To live, love, theres a song to be sung.
Cause we may not be the Young Ones very long.
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:40:24 PM PST
by
Pokey78
("I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation." Wesley Clark to Russert)
To: Itzlzha
He's fallen off the thinking wagon. His wife must tell him if his SHOES fit.
7
posted on
11/29/2003 2:40:36 PM PST
by
Ann Archy
To: Itzlzha
I don't share Tommy's understanding of the left. But if he keeps this up he will be fired.
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:44:27 PM PST
by
Ukiapah Heep
(Shoes for Industry!)
To: Pokey78
I posted a topic thread on FR awhile back here is an excerpt:
Within a few days of Sept 11th, after the shock settled in, all the socialist accomplishments of the last 35 years took a direct hit.
Close the borders! Protect our sovereignty! Racial profile those terrorists! Arm the pilots! Who the hell are we letting into this country? Deport Illegal aliens! Im going out and exercise my second amendment right and buy a gun!
People started putting up American flags, and singing patriotic songs. Political correctness went out the window. Traitors are called just that, not dissidents or just Americans exercising their first amendment rights to help us all commit national suicide.
Sure the Tony Blairs, Daschles, Kennedys, Leaheys and similar ilk are onboard to kill the terrorists, and the sooner the better. That way they can get back to undermining this country through socialism, and repair the damage done to their agenda by this intrusion of Muslim terrorists. When the terrorist threat abates the American flags will come down, and they can get back to their cancerous work on our constitution, and country. "
Tom here:
What I didn't anticipate then is how these socialists got so blinded by their hatred of Bush and this country they couln't even fake loyalty to this country. They just teed off on the President, and went into their blame America first mode.
A leftist like Friedman sees the long term picture of advancing socialism through an appearance of cooperation. - Tom
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:45:29 PM PST
by
Capt. Tom
(Anything done in moderation shows a lack of interest. - Capt. Tom)
To: Pokey78
Behind every (straight) liberal man is an overbearing, selfrightous, aggressive liberal woman.
And if I didn't, my wife would remind me.
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:49:24 PM PST
by
DManA
To: Pokey78
Oh cripes where to start?
"I couldn't help but wonder whether George Bush had made the liberal left crazy."
So the lunacy of the lunatic left and the lunatics who support them is Bush's fault too?
"Moreover, the Bush team is such a ...nonhealing administration..."
Nonhealing? What kind of a word is that? Shouldn't it be unhealing? What, exactly, is supposed to healed here? Only in the NY Times, which used to be at least well written, can you find cr*p like this nowaday. I read an sentance on the first page, above the fold the other day that made me want to find the writer and throw a heavy object at him.
"Unless we begin the long process of partnering with the Arab world to dig it out of the developmental hole it's in, this angry, frustrated region is going to spew out threats to world peace forever."
Here's the old "root causes" BS. Forget it. Those Iraquis ain't so poor, neither are the Saudis. Mohammed Atta studied Engineering in Germany! You want to find poor people, go to the South Bronx, not too many heading off for Heidelberg from that neck of the woods.
"Second, we are seeing from Bali to Istanbul the birth of a virulent, nihilistic form of terrorism that seeks to kill any advocates of modernism and pluralism, be they Muslims, Christians or Jews. This terrorism started even before 9/11...Ultimately, only Arabs and Muslims can root out this threat, but they will do that only when they have ownership over their own lives and societies."
More bad writing, leading to, or stemming from, more bad thought. I'm very glad he realizes this started before 9/11, unfortunately he seems to think Islamic terrorism is still aborning, which would be a pretty long labor, one must note. However, the fact of the matter is the it is FULLY GROWN, male and approximately 19-35 years in age. The Islamics HAVE ownership of their societies, (although I admit that some of those societies are sufficiently repressive that individuals may not have control over their own lives) the problem is they want to have ownership of OUR societies.
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:55:38 PM PST
by
jocon307
(The Dems don't get it, the American people do.)
To: Pokey78
"Well, you're not the one they're going to be calling "Bogey Bum" at the next "Friends of Stalin Show your Bottom" contest!"
Young Ones Bump!!!!
Have you bought the DVD set yet? I highly advise you do!
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posted on
11/29/2003 2:57:54 PM PST
by
Itzlzha
(The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
To: wizardoz
I'm still waiting for the "Stop Jihad Now!" signs in front of US sited Mosques and lawns in liberal neighborhoods.
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posted on
11/29/2003 3:09:41 PM PST
by
Paladin2
To: Pokey78
And it is way too important to leave it to the Bush team alone. Whatever you say, Tom. But, last I looked, there was no help forthcoming from either the Democrat left or its multinational creature-of-choice, the UN. They've had their opportunity to contribute. But, so far, they've proven capable of only carping and obstructionism...or worse.
So, since we have to, Tom, we'll do what needs to be done and go it alone. Meanwhile, you guys can sit and fester.
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posted on
11/29/2003 3:11:46 PM PST
by
okie01
(www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
To: okie01
Who does Tom want to "take it from there"? All the Democrat nominees want to declare defeat and pull out of Iraq asap! The liberals are in such a knee-jerk reaction mode that if George Bush said good is good and evil is bad, they'd take the position that good is evil and evil is good...wait, they already think that!
To: Pokey78
He married SERIOUS money. HE doesn't worry about taxes, because his wife can clip coupons.
To: jocon307
You know, the so-called "Black September" movement committed one of the most horrible atrocities for prime time during the Munich Olympics in 1972, 30 years ago. Robert Kennedy was assassinated by a disgruntled Palestinian in 1968, 4 years before that. I was in the Middle East as a US sailor in 1975 and 1976, and we were told not to wear our uniforms on the beach (in Bahrain, the 'liberal' Gulf State) because we didn't want to 'offend' the locals. Let's face it; they've never had any love for us, they don't appreciate our 'decadent' ways, they don't like the role women play in Western society, and as for the Saudis, they consider us their freaking mercenaries on call to do their dirty work. Folks, it really is us against them; they're the ones who've set the standard. Don't ever forget, anybody, that an aroused, vengeful America is their worst fear. Because of the Internet, we've gone past the pro-liberal press. We've all connected and we're firm. What does anybody really think is going to happen if somebody else does something stupid like attack us again? Does anybody really, truly think that the majority of Americans will want to pull up stakes and bail? After Vietnam, after Mogadishu? By the way, where's the learned and saintly Nick DeGenova been hiding these days? In the words of 'Clubber Lang', 'I pity the fool who tries taking what's mine!'
To: Pokey78
I liked this column. It's predicated on the idea that the mission in Iraq is important and justified. Friedman's position though is that a conservative government is too stupid and heavy handed to understand the sublties of the operation.
Friedman may or may not be right on that point, but the point that he completely overlooks, or fails to adress , is the tendency of liberals to turn tail and run when the fighting starts.
All the sublties dissapear after you surrender.
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posted on
11/29/2003 3:44:02 PM PST
by
tjg
To: Pokey78
I have great sympathy for where the left is coming from. And if I didn't, my wife would remind me.
Makes me wonder if Tom has been getting any since he started supporting the war.
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posted on
11/29/2003 3:47:11 PM PST
by
hemogoblin
(The few, the proud, the 537.)
To: Pokey78
Friedman is a highbrow with the imagination of a cricket in heat!
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posted on
11/29/2003 3:49:08 PM PST
by
CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
(so it is written, so it is done)
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