The Religious Wars

The American Prospect ^ | December 1, 2003 | Robert Reich

[NYer]

Democrats should be clear that the issues of abortion and stem-cell research are about religious liberty.

Abortion = freedom from religion?

[NYer]

In the months leading up to Election Day, when Republicans are screaming about God and accusing the Democrats of siding with sexual deviants and baby killers, Democrats should remind Americans that however important religion is to our spiritual lives, there is no room for liberty in a theocracy.

It appears the little man has a small mind.

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[SkyPilot]

Thank you Robert Reich, for reminding us that Democrats and Liberals hate Christians.

Sorry Robert, but your article comes up a little short. So do you.

[NYer]

polls show that most Americans believe that homosexual relationships between consenting adults should be legal

Apparently, Clinton wasn't the only one from that administration, who had 'inhaled'.

[TheBigB]

Same wacko who was too far to the left to even be elected Governor of Massachusetts. He's a loser and always has been.

[sleepy_hollow]

You got it. It is absolutely confounding to me how this man can make any claims to sanity. The contradictions and illogic of his writings are astounding.

The leftist philosophy of truth is nuts. Reich asserts fact after fact and truth after truth, but decries the Christian's right to do so. I just do not get it.

Of course there is nothing to get, other than confused. They are losing. Their ideas are not ideas, but nonsensical phrases strung together.

[Pietro]

This is interesting. It appears the dims are going to try and paint all Christians as fanatics. The rhetoric in this article is clear--you can have religious beliefs (for the time being) provided they have no influence in the public square.

Let us be clear, the democratic party has declared Christians enemy number one. All Americans need to understand this about the democrats.

[Pietro]

The Demonicratic Party PlatforM:

WE Support Sodomy; WE Oppose Public Prayer

Damnit! How much more clear do things have to get before the American people understand the direction we're being led in?

[DeweyCA]

Democrats should call all this for what it is -- a clear and present danger to religious liberty in America.

Reich has no problem NOT letting us express our point of view, yet he says that WE are trying to take away the liberty of others. Let's be honest; we both are trying to have our values prevail in this culture. It is the Libs who are on the offensive to overrule the Christian standards that have guided our country for over 300 years, from the time of the Puritans.

[highlander_UW]

Public opinion sides with the Democrats. Even though a slim majority continues to oppose gay marriage...

Typical democrat spin...

According to a FOX News poll conducted in the days following the Supreme Judicial Court ruling in Massachusetts, 66 percent of Americans oppose and 25 percent favor same-sex marriage. These new results are similar to those from August 2003, as well as results from 1996, when 65 percent of the public said they opposed allowing same-sex couples to marry. source:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103756,00.html

Apparently a 41% delta is a "slim margin" by democratic math. No wonder why they can't figure out that Bush was elected president.

[Mr. Silverback]

Let me ping you guys the same way NYer pinged me:

Democrats should be clear that the issues of abortion and stem-cell research are about religious liberty.

Abortion = freedom from religion?

ProLife Ping!

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[Mr. Silverback]

Sodomy + dead babies=religious freedom? Wow. If anybody wants to keep denying this is primarily a spiritual battle, they can, but they might as well join the Flat Earth Society while they're at it. Reich is speaking ideas whispered in his ears stright from the depths of Hell: "You have the right to tell them what to do, because they tried to tell you what to do!"

Reich is like the worst possible combination of Paul Wellstone and Bill Clinton. He bears watching, because he manages to make this agenda of persecution sound so reasonable to so many people. All patriots, especially those who are Jews and conservative Christians, had better be vigilant, otherwise we'll be at the mercy of people like Reich, just like they were in Romania...

"We don't have enough real Communists in the country to fill a football stadium!" --A common expression in Romania before the post-war Communist takeover, as reported by Sabina Wurmbrand in The Pastor's Wife. Her husband, Richard, spent 14 torturous years in Romanian prisons, and Sabina spent years at hard labor in the gulag.

[cpforlife.org]

"Thank you Robert Reich, for reminding us that Democrats and Liberals hate Christians."

Moreover, they hate Jesus Christ, they hate His Holy Gospel and the entire Bible, they hate the 10 Commandments, they especially hate the clear and absolute condemnation of sodomy.

They hate the very principles on which this Republic was founded.

If this is a “holy war” it will be:

Satan, The DNC, NARAL, Planned Barrenhood, the sodomite marriage camp and their friends at NAMBLA

Versus

Jesus Christ, the Angels and Saints, the Founding Fathers, all good Patriotic Truth and Liberty loving people everywhere.
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Politics & Mentality of Abortion,
And a perspective on
Christian Patriotism

http://cpforlife.org/politics_of_abortion.htm

On the Importance of Morality and Religion in Government:

[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion....Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments. (Source: Bernard C. Steiner, The Life and Correspondence of James McHenry (Cleveland: The Burrows Brothers, 1907), p. 475. In a letter from Charles Carroll to James McHenry of November 4, 1800.)

[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. Source: Benjamin Franklin, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, Jared Sparks, editor (Boston: Tappan, Whittemore and Mason, 1840), Vol. X, p. 297, April 17, 1787.

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?

And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric? (Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)

[trustandhope]

Uncle Screwtape would certainly approve of Robert Reich's article. Another attempt to pervert people's thinking...to "misinterpret, distort, twist what is right and good." (Quoting from Webster.)

[T'wit]

>> Republicans are screaming about God and accusing the Democrats of siding with sexual deviants and baby killers,...

Somebody go wake up the GOP. It is snoozing. It should be screaming about these things.

>> ... Democrats should remind Americans that however important religion is to our spiritual lives,...

Try some. Religion helps you side with decency, family and spiritual growth instead of with sexual deviants and baby killers.

>> there is no room for liberty in a theocracy.

We live in a theocracy now, except it's the church of the anti-God, under the trinity of Darwin, Marx and Freud. It is the church of socialism. It worships power. Its works are evil.

There is no conflict between being good and being free. On the contrary, only the pious will keep their liberty. "Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

[Kevin Curry]

For more than three hundred years, the liberal tradition has sought to free people from the tyranny of religious doctrines that would otherwise be imposed on them.

Liberals have "freed" no one. They have used the courts and Democratic majorities in Congress to impose on us the most destructive, soul-corroding, liberty-robbing tyranny ever spawned by the mind of man, unrestrained by the tempering influence of the Christian faith.

Unrestrained abortion and its death list numbering in the tens of millions of the most innocent and helpless, radical feminism and its implacable and irrational hatred of fatherhood, gay marriage and its open and shameless mockery of the traditional family, and the welfare state and its fascist-inspired apotheosis of "progressive" activist government are symptoms of a profoundly sick society imprisoned by reckless appetites and demands for instant gratification. These are not the hallmarks of a free people.

[Zack Nguyen]

Democrats should remind Americans that however important religion is to our spiritual lives, there is no room for liberty in a theocracy.

Ah yes, the great straw-man of "theocracy" rears its ugly head once again. Some on FR scream this as well. No matter that no Republican, and no conservative of any great consequence, has ever called for the combination of the church and state into one entity, which is what a theocracy is.

To a leftist and/or a secularist, a "theocracy" means basing law on a moral code that they disagree with. Killing a baby or marrying someone of the same sex is convenient to their moral worldview, therefore anyone who is against it is a destructor of freedom who wants a "theocracy."

I'd be delighted if the left wants to start a religious debate. Ultimately they'll lose.

[Zack Nguyen]

In Reich's wor;d, Christianity is slavery, and only the enlightened atheists and statists of the last 300 years pulled humanity out of the quagmire of backwoods, hayseed fairy stories.

Reich is a consistent humanist. That is all. His kind has come many times, and will come again after he is gone.

[Zack Nguyen]

Unrestrained abortion and its death list numbering in the tens of millions of the most innocent and helpless, radical feminism and its implacable and irrational hatred of fatherhood, gay marriage and its open and shameless mockery of the traditional family, and the welfare state and its fascist-inspired apotheosis of "progressive" activist government are symptoms of a profoundly sick society imprisoned by reckless appetites and demands for instant gratification. These are not the hallmarks of a free people.

I just wanted to repeat that for the cheap seats!