The Layman’s Guide to High Capacity Magazines vs Brady laws.

Guns save life club Champaign IL ^ | 6/2000 | Curt Bolding

[CHICAGOFARMER]

******************************** Yes, it's worthwhile to study debating techniques and logic so you can be a public speaker and take gun control proponents to task when they try to spew their lies, half-truths and junk science. But, don't expect the public to give your science any more credence than theirs because the public is not well-educated enough to recognize who is telling the truth. Sadly, the general public has been raised from birth to believe that government is the answer to all problems and needs. Have a problem? The government will fix it!

From now on, I plan to cut through all the crap involved in the gun haters' arguments and demand they answer just one question:

Assume some criminal is about to put a knife into your chest and I am standing nearby and I have a gun. There is no time to call the police. Do you want me to shoot the criminal, or not?

This is what the right to own and bear arms is all about, fundamentally. Is innocent life to be protected? Nothing else really matters in the debate. If we still consider it worthwhile that innocent life be protected, then government should be damn sure that people like me and you can own and carry firearms. There is never a cop around when you need one. That is a fundamental truth which the public will accepts universally, without any debate.

Let's go on the offensive. Start any discussions with the question above. Then propose that to accomplish this worthy goal, government should see that there are shooting ranges available where people can voluntarily seek training and qualify for a permit to carry. Laws should be passed which protect private citizens from civil suits when they use their firearms to protect innocent life (i.e. if they have violated no criminal laws, no civil suits should be allowed). Dr. John Lott has shown that states with permit to carry see a reduction in violent crimes and the more people that are issued permits the lower the violent crime rates go. People should therefore be encouraged to obtain firearm training, to purchase firearms and carry them as a matter of civic duty.

By Paul Vallandigham

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Let's go on the offensive. Start any discussions with the question above. Then propose that to accomplish this worthy goal, government should see that there are shooting ranges available where people can voluntarily seek training and qualify for a permit to carry.

If the First Amendment were handled as poorly as the Second, you'd also need a permit to ask the question.

[neverdem]

BTTT

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

I hate sites that have a pop up that covers part of the page and keeps a person from reading whats on the page.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

So do I.

I get no pop up when I visit this site??

[CHICAGOFARMER]

I hate sites that have a pop up that covers part of the page and keeps a person from reading whats on the page.

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This is not a pop up. It appears to be a toys type of header for pull down menu.

When i read the site, the toys travels down the left side and does not cover any text.

Please expand in a private email and I will forward to the webmaster.

[Drammach]

Ping..

[Nitro]

A little advice...

at least every other day you should at least half unload your mags, lest the springs suffer from compression.

That is where jamming lives.

[Billthedrill]

As long as we're getting persnickety with terminology (and I am with "clips") it isn't "bullets" that go in them, it's "cartridges."

BTT.

[Leatherneck_MT]

There is a more realistic argument in favor of Gun Control that the Govt does NOT want to hear.

The 2nd amendment was not put into the constitution just to allow us to protect ourselves from indians or criminals. It was put in there so that the American people could protect themselves FROM their Government.

Truer concept has never been more accurate than in the America we live in today.

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"And by the way, Mr. Speaker, The Second Amendment is not for killing ducks and leaving Huey and Dewey and Louie without an aunt and uncle. It is for hunting politicians like (in) Grozney and in 1776, when they take your independence away".
Robert K. Dornen, U.S. Congressman. 1995

[WorkingClassFilth]

Did B-1 Bob really say that? Gotta source - I'd love to use it.

[SSN558]

Good article but I have another take on the useless of the law. For the last ten years adds have been appearing in various publications and on the web offering high capacity magazines for sale. You've seen them, "Buy now while these items are still available."

They are still available becuase tons were produced before the law went into effect. Also, everyone that wants one already has some. If another high capacity magazine was never manufactured they would still be available fifty years from now.

You may have noticed the recent price reductions for these items. Marketeers are anticipating the sunset of the assault weapons law, and these items will be available as always but not marked up at twice what they are worth.

[Charles Martel]

You may have noticed the recent price reductions for these items. Marketeers are anticipating the sunset of the assault weapons law, and these items will be available as always but not marked up at twice what they are worth.

Yes, I've noticed some magazines gradually dropping in price, but those are mostly imported pre-ban military surplus. Others are still absurdly expensive; with a good example being the high-capacity magazines for the Ruger 10/22. The 30-round magazines - when you can find them - each cost nearly half of what the rifle cost to begin with.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Posted by Nitro to CHICAGOFARMER
On News/Activism 11/24/2003 4:38 PM CST #8 of 14

A little advice...
at least every other day you should at least half unload your mags, lest the springs suffer from compression.

That is where jamming lives

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AMEN

14,000 rounds in the past two summers. I just buy news ones.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

As long as we're getting persnickety with terminology (and I am with "clips") it isn't "bullets" that go in them, it's "cartridges."
BTT.


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Butt does it shoot??

Tic for Toc.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Any person who tries to disarm a honest citizen is a criminal.

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Isn’t it great to be free?
Isn’t it great to be stupid?

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A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
-- Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanlysis (1952)

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A man walking into a 7-11, brandishing a weapon and demanding everyone lie face-down on the floor, and then robbing and/or killing said people isn't a conflict, it's a crime.

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CCW is about being prepared for when things become very uncivilized. When you try your conflict-resolution skills on the guy who breaks in into your home or attacks you on the street, to get his fix, see how far conflict-resolution gets you.

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Guns are often used to commit violent crimes. Fact 90% of all violent crimes in the U.S. do not involve firearms of any type. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. 1998

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Self-Defense is a Basic Human Right

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Myth: Stricter gun control laws could have prevented the Columbine massacre.
Fact. Harris and Klebold violated close to 20 firearms laws in obtaining weapons. Would 21 laws really have made a difference?

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"There is nothing so powerful as truth." - Daniel Webster

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If you don't understand weapons you don't understand fighting. If you don't understand fighting you don't understand war. If you don't understand war you don't understand history. And if you don't understand history you might as well live with your head in a sack.
~ Colonel Jeff Cooper

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Post your answers here. Here's my answer:
Registered: "Does a fire set itself?"
Me: "In a world where guns kill people, SUVs run over teens, and vertical stabilizers fall off airplanes on their own? Yes."

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Who gives a rats a$$ what the polls say?
IF the principle is right, true and honest, full speed ahead.

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To those who say or quote the anti gunners spin. I say, the more you post this crap the more the weak minded souls who read this crap think that we are doing the wrong thing. If you think this is true then tell the truth, don't echo some weak-minded anti gun bastard. If you do you are as weak as they are.

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Gun Controllers impact on American civil rights
are as deadly as the A.I.D.S. virus is to health!

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* Supreme Court admits "the people" in the Second Amendment are the same "people" as in the rest of the Bill of Rights -- In U.S. v. Verdugo-Urquidez the Court stated that "'the people' seems to have been

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"911 - Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer."
Bob Mueller - www.OhioCCW.org - Ohioans For Concealed Carry

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"There is always hope, only because its the one thing nobody
has figured out how to kill, yet...!" - Crusade's Galan

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"Dialing 911 takes seconds, waiting for help can take the
rest of your life. - Oleg. MA 2000.

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"Sometimes a person has to exercise personal judgement and take
the chance of being mistaken, or stop calling himself or herself
free." -POUL ANDERSON "DIAL 1911-A1 !"

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Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is almost twice as likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder. During the first ten years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 146 to 88 margin.21

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When a anti gunner says: I don’t think we have all the answers
You say: I don’t think you have any of the answers.

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The social cost of gun violence is $20-100 billion.
If the same methodology were used t ocalculate the social savings from private gun ownership, we would see a benefit to society of $500 Billion dollars

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"The No. 1 killer of children and teens isn't drugs, smoking, suicides or gun violence.

"It's sitting in your driveway...

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When they say you are a gun nut. Say you are a conservative catholic and resent the attack on your religion.
The idea is to defuse the listeners around the discussion with humor.

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Leftist filmmaker Michael Moore, in the process of finishing an anti-gun documentary, made this dramatic statement that probably expresses the feelings of many at his end of the political spectrum:
"This started out as a documentary on gun violence in America, but the largest mass murder in our history was just committed -- without the use of a single gun! Not a single bullet fired! . . . I can't stop thinking about this. A thousand gun control laws would not have prevented this massacre. What am I doing.

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"Good order is the foundation of all things." --Edmund Burke {}

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"Delay is preferable to error." --Thomas Jefferson {}
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams {}

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"A sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand." --Seneca (the Younger) {}

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"Where there is a lack of honor in government, the morals of the whole people are poisoned." --Herbert Hoover {}

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"It's a poor rule that won't work both ways." --Frederick Douglass

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New Orleans police spokesman Capt. Marlon Defillo in Friday night's and Saturday morning's five slayings, there's was one glaring commonality that got no mention. I'd bet that each of these murders was committed with an unlicensed and illegal firearm. It is not the honest citizen causing the problem.

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There are not enough police to protect everyone. Currently, there are about 150,000 police officers on duty at any one time, per U.S Justice Department 1998. 450,000 TOTAL.

This is on-duty police. This included desk clerks, command sergeants, etc. far fewer than 150,000 cops are crusing your neighborhood. With approximately 271,933,702 people living in the U.S resulting in only ONE on-duty cop for every 1,813 citizens.

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It was President John F. Kennedy who said, "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

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The Second Amendment was not intended to guarantee my bird hunting, or for states to maintain militias. It was, and is, as even Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (liberal icon) acknowledges, an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT

[CHICAGOFARMER]

You may have noticed the recent price reductions for these items. Marketeers are anticipating the sunset of the assault weapons law, and these items will be available as always but not marked up at twice what they are worth

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I just purchased three more 20's. Darn.

Well now I have an even dozen.

Next Year I will celebrate with another dozen.

[Nitro]

Always remember ROT/ROT...

Rounds On Target

Rounds On Time!

[10mm]

at least every other day you should at least half unload your mags, lest the springs suffer from compression.

Extremely bad advice. A spring suffers metal fatigue from cycling through compression/decompression, not through compression alone. Leaving the mags fully loaded is far less harmful than what you are doing.

You are actually shortening the life of your springs by following your procedure.