It's Not Only About Terri Schiavo

The Village Voice ^ | November 21, 2003 | Nat Hentoff

[pickyourpoison]

I have a hard time believing that God would make it a sin and then have you born that way.

[Randjuke]

Actually, the bit about homosexuals is pretty clever.

You could be right, but I took it more as a sideways slam at conservatives. Comparing the contracting of a disease that is largely preventable and often a result of one's excesses (AIDS) with the Terri Schiavo situation is a bit of a stretch IMHO. After typing the preceding sentence, though, I do see your point.

[shezza]

...Binding and Hoche emphasized that "the incurably ill and the mentally retarded were costing millions of marks and taking up thousands of much-needed hospital beds. So doctors should be allowed to put them to death."

Then came Adolf Hitler, who thought this was a splendid, indeed capital, idea.

Scary thing is, I've seen FReepers reiterate those exact same arguments as to why Terri should be terminated. "It's costing taxpayers too much money." "Who might be able to use that hospital bed she's taking up right now?" Brrrrr! I've got shivers.

[shezza]

...lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof...

Whoa...I ain't namin' names, but that sounds like a spot-on description of some of the players in this case.

[T'wit]

Yes, you're right, it is not clear whom he's criticizing. (Except, of course, that archconservatives have horns and a pointy tail :-) )

[AmericaUnited]

without natural affection

Cruel and having no compassion toward a fellow human being.

[freekitty]

Strangely, these are the Clinton's courts who support this. From the time they were elected; it seems that bad things for America have escalated.

[AmericaUnited]

When they pulled the feeding tubes on those in a coma, I did not speak out because I was not in a coma.

When they pulled the feeding tubes on the mentally disabled, I did not speak out because I was not mentally disabled.

When they pulled the feeding tubes on those with birth defects, I did not speak out because I didn't have any birth defects.

When they pulled the feeding tubes on those who were old, I did not speak out because I was not old.

Then when they starved me to death, no one spoke out for me because they were not me.

[T'wit]

It SOUNDS like just about the best legal news we could wish. That bone scan is damning to MS. If it's innocent, he wouldn't need to block it, would he? If it shows that he probably beat Terri (and of course, it does), it should persuade any court to remove him as guardian. Even Jodi might figure him out a little better.

I should think Michael would be sweating bullets about now.

[sweetliberty]

"that sounds like a spot-on description of some of the players in this case."

Doesn't it though?

[Krodg]

Those that lead the death parade are either the godless liberal/atheist/Nazi/commies OR they may profess a belief in God while denying His power and being void of reverence for Him.

Must've been all the prayers for my Pres lately that gave me the srength to venture into DU today, but I found this and thought you might find it appropriate..

Great Old Democrats...

GOD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php? az=printer_friendly&forum=104&topic_id=757162&mesg_id=757395

They were trying to find catchy names to fight GOP....funny and very sad....

[Krodg]

Brrrrr! I've got shivers.

As a mere mortal woman I might condemn those men to a lifetime of 'night sweats' and 'hot flashes'....God has something even greater in store for them.

[nicmarlo]

The Doctors Trial . . .criminal proceedings against 23 leading German physicians

In Nazi Germany, German physicians planned and enacted the "Euthanasia" Program, the systematic killing of those they deemed "unworthy of life." The victims included the mentally retarded, the institutionalized mentally ill, and the physically impaired.

KARL BRANDT — Personal physician to AdoIf Hitler; Gruppenfuehrer in the SS and Generalleutnant (Major General) in the Waffen SS; Reich Commissioner for Health and Sanitation (Reichskommissar fuer Sanitaets- und Gesundheitswesen); and member of the Reich Research Council (Reichsforschungsrat).

Count One: 5. The said common design, conspiracy, plans, and enterprises embraced the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity, as set forth in counts two and three of this indictment, in that the defendants unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly encouraged, aided, abetted, and participated in the subjection of thousands of persons, including civilians, and members of the armed forces of nations then at war with the German Reich, to murders, brutalities, cruelties, tortures, atrocities, and other inhuman acts.

Count Two: 9. Between September 1939 and April 1945 the defendants Karl Brandt, Blome, Brack, and Hoven unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed war crimes, as defined by Article II of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the execution of the so-called "euthanasia" program of the German Reich in the course of which the defendants herein murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, including nationals of German-occupied countries. This program involved the systematic and secret execution of the aged, insane, incurably ill, of deformed children, and other persons, by gas, lethal injections, and diverse other means in nursing homes, hospitals, and asylums. Such persons were regarded as "useless eaters" and a burden to the German war machine. The relatives of these victims were informed that they died from natural causes, such as heart failure. German doctors involved in the "euthanasia" program were also sent to Eastern occupied countries to assist in the mass extermination of Jews.

Count Three: 14. Between September 1939 and April 1945 the defendants Karl Brandt, Blome, Brack, and Hoven unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed crimes against humanity, as defined by Article II of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the execution of the so called "euthanasia" program of the German Reich, in the course of which the defendants herein murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, including German civilians, as well as civilians of other nations. The particulars concerning such murders are set forth in paragraph 9 of count two of this indictment and are incorporated herein by reference.

Count Four: 16. The defendants Karl Brandt, Genzken, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Brack, Hoven, and Fischer are guilty of membership in an organization declared to be criminal by the International Military Tribunal in Case No. 1, in that each of the said defendants was a member of the SCHUTZSTAFFELN DER NATIONALSOZIALISTISCHEN DEUTSCHEN ARBEITERPARTEI (commonly known as the "SS")

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I hereby proclaim the Florida Second District Court of Appeals (most especially Chief Judge Chris W. Altenbernd, Judge Carolyn K. Fulmer, and Judge Thomas E. Stringer), Circuit Judge W. Douglas Baird, Circuit Judge George Greer, George Felos, Esq., and Michael Schiavo guilty of:

COUNT ONE: The said common design, conspiracy, plans, and enterprises embracing the commission of crimes against humanity, as set forth in count two of this indictment, in that the defendants unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly encouraged, aided, abetted, and participated in the future subjection of thousands of persons, to murders, brutalities, cruelties, tortures, atrocities, and other inhuman acts.

COUNT TWO: They are, and have been, willfully and knowingly, committed to crimes against humanity in that they are principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were and are connected with plans and enterprises involving the execution of a euthanasia program in the course of which the defendants herein will murder, or cause to be murdered, hundreds of thousands of human beings. This program will involve the systematic execution of the aged, incurably ill, the brain damaged, those labeled to be in a persistent vegetative state, and other persons who do not have advanced legal directives, by the withholding of nutrition and hydration, in nursing homes, hospitals, and asylums because such persons are regarded as "useless eaters" and a burden to society.

[MHGinTN]

WOW! Sadly, there's nowhere to file it.

[nicmarlo]

I know; but, perhaps one day, someone may file something just like it against them. I can only hope.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Some of us are paying attention. Why is it just Catholics you want to "wake up"? Shouldn't everybody be included?

[Ohioan from Florida]

Nice rendition.

[wisconsinconservative]

This is the press briefing from Pat Anderson, posted on terrisfight.org. Now I'm assuming that since the judge allowed the deposition to be taken that it can also be admitted in the guardianship hearing(??). Can any lawyer types answer that question?

*update*
PRESS BRIEFING
an update in the fight to save Terri Schindler-Schiavo

For immediate release: Wednesday, November 20, 2003, 5:30p.m.

For more information: Megan Dillon -- (727) 418-6013, meganmdillon@yahoo.com


In an emergency hearing late this afternoon, Sixth District Circuit Court Judge Crockett Farnell vacated his previously issued stay of discovery in Schindler v. Schiavo. Schindler family attorney Pat Anderson argued that the pending Fourth Motion to Disqualify Judge, which is currently before Judge George Greer, should have no effect on other proceedings related to the case.

"Today's actions prove that every attempt is being made to delay proceedings in this case and hasten Terri's death," said Pat Anderson. "However, we will continue to fight for Terri's life and make sure that all of the facts in this case are fully explored."

[Ohioan from Florida]

Ping to the previous post for lawyer "types". Sorry, WC, I wish I had an answer for you, but I'd like to know, too.

[madprof98]

Why is it just Catholics you want to "wake up"? Shouldn't everybody be included?

I'll take everybody I can get, but I'm concerned about my fellow Catholics because of the sorry leadership we have (particularly in Florida) and because of articles like this pro-killing garbage in the Catholic press. (The piece I referenced appeared in Commonweal, but we had one almost as bad in the Atlanta Catholic paper, which is supposedly ultra-conservative.)