Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1)

11/21/03 | scripter

[EdReform]

Follow up to reply 452 in this thread:

Zoo ditches gay penguin plan

A German zoo has abandoned a plan to break up homosexual penguin couples after protests from gay rights groups.

The Bremerhaven Zoo in northern Germany had earlier flown in four female Humboldt penguins in an attempt to encourage three all-male couples to reproduce.

The zoo originally defended the experiment on the grounds that the birds were an endangered species. But after protests from gay rights groups, director Heike Kueck said the zoo was abandoning the plan.

"Everyone can live here as they please," Ms Kueck said.

She said it was not her intention, nor was it possible, to separate the gay couples by force and interest them in their new female companions.

She added that the gay penguins had shown little interest in the females, but this could have been because the program was started too late in the year.

Gay groups had protested against "the organised and forced harassment through female seductresses" in an open letter to Bremerhaven Mayor Joerg Schulz and called on him to stop the program.

Zoo keepers discovered that the homosexual couples had gathered rocks that they coveted like eggs and fooled their keepers for years into thinking they were boy-and-girl duos.

The zoo came up with the ingenious idea of trying to convert the males by flying in some exotic birds from Scandinavia. But the boys haven't exactly been fighting for a slice of the female action. On the contrary, they have shown their suitors the cold shoulder.

"The relationships were obviously too serious," Ms Kueck said of the same-sex penguin couples. Instead of flirting with the opposite sex, they seemed to prefer sitting on the stones, which substitute for the eggs they will never be able to lay.

The zoo, which promotes itself with the slogan "encounters of a special kind", initially wanted to wait until spring 2006 to see if their international matchmaking efforts spawned results.

Now the gay penguins are being allowed to live the way they want.

As for the Swedish females - new male penguins have been drafted in to attend to their heterosexual needs.

[Mockingbird For Short]

By the early '70s, Judd Marmor was on his way to the vice presidency of the American Psychiatric Association. He and a number of allies in the APA arranged to have outside gay activists disrupt APA meetings to protest the persistence of homosexuality as a diagnostic category within the APA's list of disorders.

Was Dr. Judd Marmor a homosexual? If not, what motivated him to get gay activists to disrupt the APA meetings?

[Mockingbird For Short]

As one research analyst puts it: So Hooker's study suggests that sexual fantasies among homosexuals are irrepressible, so much so that such people cannot always see ordinary situations and relations as devoid of sexual content, but must, on occasion, interject sexual significance where it does not exist or, at the very least, need not exist. Following the logical conclusions of this experiment, we are compelled to conclude that there is something substantively different about the way homosexuals and heterosexuals look at the world.

Oh yeah, I have personally witnessed this "phenomenon" in one of the more outspoken homos I know. He sees a phallus in practically everything.

[imintrouble]

Regarding the minute population of homosexuals within the U.S., what do you propose be done about them?

Mass homicide?

I love FreeRepublic. I admire all the work which went into the presentation here and believe the readers and writers here have freedom to state their opinions.

Am I the only FreeRepublic member who is really disturbed by the display of hostility?

You can posit all the theorems you wish and wax poetic with all your disgust and crude asides, but the fact remains these are humans who exist in our world.

Regardless of the ridiculous claims that homosexuals can be "changed" - work in my profession also indicates this is impossible and you wish them to live a lie to please your own personal beliefs.

I realize I am offending some when I beg some of your readers to abstain from such activism against a minority group, especially the hate I see growing.



Trouble

[scripter]

Stop misrepresenting what we've said here. There is no hatred towards homosexuals no matter how hard you try to spin it.

Indeed - homosexuals are humans. They are certainly not sub-human. And there are tens of thousands of former homosexuals - checkout my profile for pointers to the latest information.

You should read Spitzer and why he changed his mind that homosexuals can not only leave the lifestyle, but live as heterosexuals:

2003

Spitzer Study Published: Evidence Found for Effectiveness of Reorientation Therapy (NARTH)

2001

Spitzer Forced to Cancel Appearance to Discuss His Ex-.Gay. Study (Culture and Family), FreeRepublic
Supporting Documents on Spitzer (FreeRepublic)
Spitzer on Homosexuals can Change, part 1 (FreeRepublic)
Spitzer on Homosexuals can Change, part 2 (FreeRepublic)
Spitzer on Homosexuals can Change, part 3 (FreeRepublic)

[bubman]

Ping

[imintrouble]

NARTH is a group with an agenda.

They work towards one mission, and you have succumbed which is your right.

I won't interfere again in your dedication, but as I work in the field of human behavior and degrees of impairment, there is nothing NARTH posits or proclaims which will rise above speculative longing.

Proof and truth are on the horizon.

You managed to resist my question about what you would do with the homosexual population. You claim there are thousands who have changed? They have repressed themselves and find comfort in people like you praising them. Yet they cannot change their eye color to suit. It is a disguise only.

To find a group unacceptable enough to insist they subvert their natural life is hate - pure and simple hate.

I apologize to you for interfering.

As I wrote before I love FreeRepublic until people dabble in "changing" others - reminds me of Mengele experimentation in Nazi Germany.

I hope for your sake you never find out a family member or a loved friend is homosexual. It may push you over the edge. The precipice which you work so hard to create.

[imintrouble]

If you spent as much time researching the causes of degrees of homosexual behavior in humans, you might find your one-sided promotion wasted.

Here is one study which is going to prove all your NARTH theses incorrect and biased. Research does not focus on one outcome sigularly as does NARTH. True research looks at all causes and degress of abnormality.

Even as with heterosexual identity, there are degrees of differentiation between active sexual aggression and passive non-sexual pursuit. Homosexuality is yet one step farther into sexual imperfection. As with nature, there are many things which are imperfect. But they are part of this world and part of human biological functioning. Yet you set out to claim these people can be "cured". As ridiculous as the claims NARTH makes.

There is homosexuality in all of the animal world, even in mammalians.

The link may be too deep for you, but Plymouth is definitely trying to find answers, not recrimination:

http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year2/psy221physiologicalpsychology/psy221-syllabus.html

[imintrouble]

Before your write the accusation:

No.

I am a married heterosexual female.

[little jeremiah]

Your pro-homosexual mindset is blinding you to the truth.

Just one point - you make the claim that because animals, nay, "mammalians"*, sometimes exhibit same sex behavior, that it is natural, normal and beneficent for humans to do so.

This argument is childish and has no bearing on the topic. Mammalians often eat their own excrement or that of others, eat their own young or others' young, commit incest as a regular program, have no marriage ceremonies, do not educate their young, nor do they have any religious beliefs or ability to understand anything other than their immediate bodily wants.

To learn how to be human by studying animal behavior is to insure that human society will degrade to barbarism.



*Sound so much more scientific that way.

[imintrouble]

You write:

"Your pro-homosexual mindset is blinding you to the truth.

Just one point - you make the claim that because animals, nay, "mammalians"*, sometimes exhibit same sex behavior, that it is natural, normal and beneficent for humans to do so.

This argument is childish and has no bearing on the topic. Mammalians often eat their own excrement or that of others, eat their own young or others' young, commit incest as a regular program, have no marriage ceremonies, do not educate their young, nor do they have any religious beliefs or ability to understand anything other than their immediate bodily wants.

To learn how to be human by studying animal behavior is to insure that human society will degrade to barbarism.
*Sound so much more scientific that way"

Jeremiah:

All human research has begun with our ancestry. We have not always been bi-pedal, intellectuals. This is where you and I differ. You believe the first human was the perfect human. A lovely story however not scientific whatsoever.

Pro-homosexual am I? Well I am pro-humanity. Please write it correctly. I am for all people of this world. I want acceptance of each by each. Where is that so wrong?

We are little more than animals in utero until we are born, we are considered "mammalians to be." Do you feel more superior in selecting my choice of words as insignificant? Tiny babies would eat and do eat their excrement. We teach beyond that stage as they grow. As a higher species, of course we are taught the mores you preach now.

Consider this however, homosexuality was created just as we are in our heterosexuality. We do not damn people who are born deaf or blind or functionally impaired. Nor do we insist the blind "see" and the crippled "walk", or that they pretend to do so, because they are different.

Why do people spend so much time damning homosexuals, it is such a waste of emotion and I cannot equate it to Christian belief whatsoever.

Christians accept all.

Now I have to apologize to you and scripter yet again for interfering. I just wish you bright people would do some alternative research. Proving oneself "wrong" is the basis for excellent and full-fledged research, is it not?

And if one cannot be found "wrong" one has been justified.

[scripter]

NARTH is a group with an agenda.

And their agenda is:

...committed to helping those with unwanted homosexual attractions. We respect each client's dignity, autonomy and right to self determination. NARTH believes that clients have the right to claim a gay identity, or to diminish their homosexuality and develop their heterosexual potential.

NARTH is pro-choice on this issue: They offer the choice of staying in the homosexual lifestyle or deveoping their heterosexual potential. I'm sorry to read you're of the opinion that homosexuals should be prevented from any attempts to leave a destructive lifestyle.

You managed to resist my question about what you would do with the homosexual population.

It was a ridiculous question. I hold the position that homosexuals should be offered the choice to those who want it.

You claim there are thousands who have changed? They have repressed themselves and find comfort in people like you praising them.

That's not true at all, documented below:

Dr. Robert L. Spitzer played a pivotal role in the 1973 decision by the APA to declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder. Spitzer used to believe homosexuals couldn't change but after studying the results of therapy he now believes homosexuals can change:

"I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted--but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue--some people can and do change." Spitzer completely changed his mind whether or not some homosexuals can change. And then Spitzer concluded with:

"the mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has, as a goal, a change in sexual orientation. Many patients, provided with informed consent about the possibility that they will be disappointed if the therapy does not succeed, can make a rational choice to work toward developing their heterosexual potential and minimizing their unwanted homosexual attractions."

Source: Spitzer made the above comments at an annual APA meeting, May 9, 2001. The study was reported in the May 9, 2001 issues of The Washington Post, The New York Times, USA Today and it was also released to many local newspapers via the AP. ABC, CBS, FOX and MSNBC all reported the study.

Did you read that? Spitzer, of all people, disagrees with you, and he agrees with NARTH's position that homosexuals should be given the choice.

I hope for your sake you never find out a family member or a loved friend is homosexual.

I would prefer you try harder to understand from where I'm coming.

Dr. Robert L. Spitzer played a pivotal role in the 1973 decision by the APA to declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder. Spitzer used to believe homosexuals couldn't change but after studying the results of therapy he now believes homosexuals can change:

"I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted--but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue--some people can and do change." Spitzer completely changed his mind whether or not some homosexuals can change. And then Spitzer concluded with:

"the mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has, as a goal, a change in sexual orientation. Many patients, provided with informed consent about the possibility that they will be disappointed if the therapy does not succeed, can make a rational choice to work toward developing their heterosexual potential and minimizing their unwanted homosexual attractions."

Source: Spitzer made the above comments at an annual APA meeting, May 9, 2001. The study was reported in the May 9, 2001 issues of The Washington Post, The New York Times, USA Today and it was also released to many local newspapers via the AP. ABC, CBS, FOX and MSNBC all reported the study.

[scripter]

There is homosexuality in all of the animal world, even in mammalians.

Well that's just not true. We see homoerotic behavior is some animals, not all.

That [anyone] would rely upon animals to 'teach humans' anything betrays its fundamental lack of any moorings or for that matter, of much in the way of common sense. To see this, let us first remember what animals do.

Animals, among other .criminal' activities:

• Kill and eat members of their species . that is, they are often cannibals;
• Kill and eat some of their offspring . that is, they commit cannibalistic infanticide;
• Compete with other males for the opportunity to have sex with a particular female, often killing or debilitating the rival;
• Fight with and exile or kill the .owner' of a .harem,' kill his .children,' and then raise other children with the females in the harem (the females show no .loyalty' to their former .husband' and blithely have sex with the new guy).
• Discriminate against and kill .aliens' to their particular territory or tribe;
• Often have sex with some of their offspring;
• Often have sex with relatives and near-relatives (from a human perspective, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, grandparents, etc.) . in other words, they commit incest;
• Let the males just about always get their way (e.g., eat first, win any spats),
• Often allow large groups of males to have sex with a female, even leaving her near-dead or even dead . that is, they engage in .gang rape;' and
• Often allow one male to hog all the females in a given area, driving away his .sons' and his .friends' who would like a little sexual .pleasure' with the .girls.'

None of these activities inform how we regard cannibalism, murder, gang rape, marriage, the rightful place of the sexes, or incest. What happens in the animal kingdom is irrelevant to what occurs in the human realm.
...
Humans are different from animals in countless ways. Humans speak, write, have a sense of personal history and the history of their culture (and often of other cultures as well). They think about and plan for the future, have theories about what makes the world tick (e.g., believe in God, Evolution, or alien visitors), and devise schemes of how the world 'should be' (e.g., have legal systems and cultural ideals 'everyone is equal', only a man and a woman can be married,'etc.).
...
Humans also change the world in innumerable ways (build roads, buildings, bridges, tunnels), and manipulate the earth for food and entertainment (e.g., horticulture, husbandry, planetary exploration). Animals, as near as we can determine, do none of these things. Even when they 'use tools' (like sticks or rocks), animals display only rudimentary skill at the enterprise. Source
...

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If we arbitrarily pick which animal behaviors to value, then any such study from which we get insights for human behavior is a complete waste of time.

[scripter]

I am a married heterosexual female.

Thanks, but that's too much information.

[imintrouble]

LOL I was anticipating your accusation I was a homosexual when I wrote:

"Before your write the accusation: No. I am a married heterosexual female."

I agree it was way too much information, but I was concerned you would group me in with activism or a member of a homosexual group. I am neither. I am a behaviorist who delves deeply into the maladaptive behavior of humans.

I fully comprehend the disgust people feel, and your description of "animal behavior" above can readily apply to humans as well.

I also believe firmly in acceptance, cooperation, assistance, alternatives means of living to the fullest capacity, and realizing some behaviors are also allotted to mankind.

As I wrote before, I see you are firmly entrenched in your belief, therefore I apologize for interrupting. I am in no way trying to "change" the opinions of anyone, only to exercise my own right of oppositional or alternative thought.

I applaud your hard work in your research. I challenge you to do the same in understanding the causative biology of homosexuality. What I am more concerned with is the hatred some people actually feel, and that kind of emotion can be
very destructive and limiting. Acceptance seems to be the only way to enlightenment. I wish that for you too.

[scripter]

I agree it was way too much information, but I was concerned you would group me in with activism or a member of a homosexual group.

The facts can be discussed by anybody. Folks get into trouble when they push opinion and emotion as fact.

I'm going to ignore your animal comment. And you may have noticed I ignored your previous Nazi comment. Both speak volumes for you.

I also believe firmly in acceptance, cooperation, assistance, alternatives means of living to the fullest capacity, and realizing some behaviors are also allotted to mankind.

I don't accept any alternative means of living, but I'll tolerate what consenting adults want to do privately... and if they stay away from desensitizing children.

As I wrote before, I see you are firmly entrenched in your belief, therefore I apologize for interrupting. I am in no way trying to "change" the opinions of anyone, only to exercise my own right of oppositional or alternative thought.

And NARTH has the same right.

I applaud your hard work in your research. I challenge you to do the same in understanding the causative biology of homosexuality.

You really haven't read anything I've compiled on this thread, have you. Here's some information you may find informative:

2005

Mommy, Am I A Boy Or A Girl? (CBS), FreeRepublic
New Genetics Study Undermines Gay Gene Theory (DrThrockmorton), FreeRepublic
Impossible becomes conceivable... same-sex couples may one day have genetic offspring (Cape Times), FreeRepublic
Homosexual Researcher Claims Genome Scan Of Sexual Orientation (Traditional Values), FreeRepublic
Gay-Affirmative Public School Teachers/Curricula May Influence Brain Maturation In Teens (NARTH), FreeRepublic
On Ducks And Homosexuality (Christian News in Maine - N/A)
Genes Linked With Male Sexual Orientation Found (Fox News), FreeRepublic
Studies Showing The Relationship Between Childhood Sexual Abuse & Later Involvement In Homosexuality (FreeRepublic)

2004

Ex-Gay Is Ok (NARTH)
Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not 'Born That Way' (FreeRepublic)
Heteroflexible -- or Fauxmosexual? (WebMD), FreeRepublic
'This is the Way God Made Me': A Scientific Examination of Homosexuality and the 'Gay Gene' (True Origin), FreeRepublic
What About the 'Gay Gene'? An Honest Look at the Evidence (Crosswalk)
Homosexuality: The Essentialist Argument Continues to Erode (NARTH)
Homosexuality is not biologically determined - latest research (Online Opinion (AU)), FreeRepublic
The Animal Homosexuality Myth (NARTH )
Fencing with the NY Times Over Gay Marriage (NARTH )
Expert Gives Powerful Testimony in Defense of the Family (CWFA), FreeRepublic
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic (CWFA)
Gays in Society: The Growing Clash (FHU - N/A)

2003

Homosexuality: Innate and Immutable? (Regent)
Ad campaigns duel over 'ex-gays' (WorldNetDaily)
'Cure' for homosexuality? (WorldNetDaily)
Study Trumpeted by Health Writer as Evidence that Some Are 'Born Gay' (NARTH)
Of mice and gay men (Grove City College)
Newswriters Represent New Study As Proof Of Biological Basis Of Homosexuality (NARTH)
Homosexuality and Genes: Déjà vu All Over Again? (NARTH)
Can Homosexuals Change? (Eagles Wings Ministry)

2002

The Importance of Twin Studies (NARTH)
The Gay Gene? (Leader U)
The Fading 'Gay Gene' (NARTH)
The Biological Research on Homosexuality (NARTH)
Is There a 'Gay Gene'? (NARTH)
Gay-To-Straight Research (NARTH)
Is Sexual Orientation Fixed at Birth? (NARTH)
Is Homosexuality Genetic? (NARTH)
Homosexual Researchers Debunk 'Born Gay' Urban Legend (Traditional Values - N/A)
Gender Identity Disorder (Leader U)
Finding a Needle in the Ocean (NARTH)
Facing The Truth About Homosexual Behavior (Traditional Values - N/A)

2001

The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science (NARTH)
The Gay Gene: Going, Going...Gone (Family Research Council)
A Change In Thinking (Townhall)

2000

What Is 'A Homosexual' (Family Research Institute)
Lust, Violence & Genetics (FreeRepublic)

1999

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? (Family Research Institute)
Born What Way? (Family Research Institute)

1995

How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together (NARTH)

What I am more concerned with is the hatred some people actually feel, and that kind of emotion can be very destructive and limiting.

Perhaps you should be writing to those you describe above, as you won't find it here.

Acceptance seems to be the only way to enlightenment. I wish that for you too.

Acceptance and enlightenment in the same sentence...interesting. For me I'll stick with the facts, and offer folks the choice to leave the destructive homosexual lifestyle.

[imintrouble]

I again repeat much of your opinion seems to be based on the work of NARTH who are not researching to find the truth, but merely reporting their personal bias.

I have been working for over eighteen years in the field sir, and it is you who lurks among the uninformed.

There is validated, authentic research all over our world concerning the issue of homosexuality, and you have hardly touched upon the causative factors.

Enough of your insults. I have tried to keep this adult and without sarcasm to the point of apology.

I hope one day you will allow your mind to open.

[scripter]

I again repeat much of your opinion seems to be based on the work of NARTH who are not researching to find the truth, but merely reporting their personal bias.

Some of it is. NARTH states they are the ONLY professional organization actively fighting for the right of therapists to help homosexuals change. There are many other organizations that help homosexuals out of the lifestyle, which I just posted here

I have been working for over eighteen years in the field sir, and it is you who lurks among the uninformed.

What you're really saying here is that you cannot, logically, respond to the information I've posted.

There is validated, authentic research all over our world concerning the issue of homosexuality, and you have hardly touched upon the causative factors.

Sigh. Please post it and I'll take a look at it. But I hope it's not already listed in the ever growing pile of debunked research.

Enough of your insults. I have tried to keep this adult and without sarcasm to the point of apology.

I'd ask you to provide a post number where I insulted you, but you wouldn't be able to do that. On the other hand, you have hinted I'm for mass homicide of homosexuals. You have incorrectly stated I'm hostile to homosexuals, and that I hate homosexuals. We see these common tactics and misrepresentations all the time.

I hope one day you will allow your mind to open.

And I really hope you realize that others can be informed on the issues and come to a different conclusion.

Former homosexuals exist and their numbers are growing. Please allow those who seek help the freedom to do so.

[little jeremiah]

Your statement that "Christians accept all" is a conscious lie. Jesus Christ condemned sinful behavior, as does the Old Testament. You have no idea what I believe to be the origin of humanity.

Whether humans evolved from animals or not, we are more than animals, and the argument that because some animals, under some circumstances, perform what look to be same sex acts, has no relevance to human sexual behavior. Unless you are also an advocate of incest and infant devouring. And excrement eating, and anus sniffing. All common among animals.