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Update on Terri's Law
E-mail | FL House Speaker Byrd

Posted on 11/20/2003 5:32:47 PM PST by babygene

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To: lonevoice
Well, the anti-FReepers are speculating on who else he might be here.

Anyone thing Wacky Kat at TOS reminds you of someone?

21 posted on 11/20/2003 9:14:55 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
Yes, it does sound like they're on the right track. Felos is up against knowledgeable, strong, capable people, up to the task. All we can really do is pray and continue contacting the elected officials, and shouting from the mountain tops. : )
22 posted on 11/20/2003 9:23:57 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
Very strange. I don't venture to lurk thataway too often. Is it just me, or are they speaking a foreign language? >> I can't understand what they're talking about!
23 posted on 11/20/2003 9:50:52 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: babygene
Thanks for the update and for the link! MS....you are now on a very short rope!
24 posted on 11/20/2003 9:55:37 PM PST by countrydummy
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To: lonevoice
That place could be called Whine Central. They are as bad as the RAT Underground.
25 posted on 11/20/2003 10:03:17 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty; nickcarraway
Judge Denies Michael's Bid to Block New Info on Potential Abuse of Terri Schiavo

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
November20, 2003

Pinellas Park, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A judge rejected an attempt by Michael Schiavo to block the discovery of new information that could be used to replace him as guardian. Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, hope new information can be gathered to prove whether or not Terri was a victim of physical abuse that led to her collapse.

The Schindlers have filed a lawsuit seeking to remove Michael, terri's estranged husband, as her guardian and replace him with her brother Bob Schindler, Jr.

They are hoping to uncover new information pointing to the need to change guardianship -- including questioning the radiologist who conducted a bone scan on Terri in March 1991 that showed she was possibly a victim of physical abuse.

Attorneys for Michael, including assisted suicide advocate George Felos and the ACLU, filed a motion to stay all discovery of new information in the Schindler v. Schiavo lawsuit. They claimed allowing discovery to proceed would prevent Michael's access to the courts.

"This attempt by Michael Schiavo's lawyers to thwart the discovery of important and previously undiscovered evidence speaks volumes," said Pat Anderson, attorney for the Schindler family. "They appear to be scared of the truth coming out."

Sixth District Circuit Court Judge Crockett Farnell granted the stay without a hearing and ordered that "none of the parties to this case shall engage in any actions, including discovery, until after Judge George Greer has ruled on the Fourth Motion to Disqualify Judge."

The Schindlers have filed another motion to dismiss Judge Greer as the lead judge in the case.

They say Greer, who approved the order to remove Terri's feeding tube, has been colluding with Felos and appointed an "impartial" doctor to assess Terri's condition whose brother had previously worked with Felos.

Amazingly, Farnell reversed himself only a short time later.

Farnell conducted an emergency hearing less than an hour after issuing his first order where he vacated his previously issued stay of discovery.

Anderson argued that the motion to dismiss Greer should have no bearing on the case to have Michael removed from guardianship.

"Today's actions prove that every attempt is being made to delay proceedings in this case and hasten Terri's death," Anderson added. "However, we will continue to fight for Terri's life and make sure that all of the facts in this case are fully explored."

Related web sites:
Terri's family -- http://www.terrisfight.org


26 posted on 11/20/2003 10:11:11 PM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: wisconsinconservative
WooooooHooooo!!!!!

Ping to #26 for some great news!

If you would like on or off of this ping list, please let me know.

27 posted on 11/20/2003 10:21:06 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
Oops! Got so excited, I forgot to ping the list! Hehehe...see post #26.
28 posted on 11/20/2003 10:23:01 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
Amazingly, Farnell reversed himself only a short time later. Farnell conducted an emergency hearing less than an hour after issuing his first order where he vacated his previously issued stay of discovery.

What's up with the reversal, sweetliberty? What made the Judge allow the bone scan in, after issuing a stay first?

29 posted on 11/20/2003 10:29:05 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Maybe Anderson questioned the judge's ex parte decision and asked for an immediate hearing?
30 posted on 11/20/2003 10:33:14 PM PST by RusynMama
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To: nicmarlo
So that means that discovery is on doesn't it? Am I reading it wrong?
31 posted on 11/20/2003 10:36:58 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: wisconsinconservative
I'm a little confused (okay, maybe more than a little). Can someone help make this a little more clear?

First, Attorneys for Michael, including assisted suicide advocate George Felos and the ACLU, filed a motion to stay all discovery of new information in the Schindler v. Schiavo lawsuit.

Then, Sixth District Circuit Court Judge Crockett Farnell granted the stay without a hearing

Followed by, Farnell conducted an emergency hearing less than an hour after issuing his first order where he vacated his previously issued stay of discovery. Heh. Sounds like he might've gotten a little phone call from someone. But, I'd still like to know his "official" explanation for reversing himself in less than an hour.

But, the article ends with this: "Today's actions prove that every attempt is being made to delay proceedings in this case and hasten Terri's death," Anderson added. Pat's reaction makes it sound like she doesn't consider today's outcome a good thing, but it looks like a victory according to the article. What am I missing?

This is also very confusing to me...

Sixth District Circuit Court Judge Crockett Farnell granted the stay without a hearing and ordered that "none of the parties to this case shall engage in any actions, including discovery, until after Judge George Greer has ruled on the Fourth Motion to Disqualify Judge." ...The Schindlers have filed another motion to dismiss Judge Greer as the lead judge in the case.

The article seems to be implying that George Greer will be the one who rules on the motion to disqualify himself? Can that possibly be true?!? Surely not, when the allegation is one of bias to begin with!

32 posted on 11/20/2003 10:43:10 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: sweetliberty
We just have to get Greer out of the picture...

...and get Felos disbarred and Schiavo charged with assault.

And Terri getting the right services, and in her mom's care.

Then all would be right with the world.


Goodnight!
33 posted on 11/20/2003 10:43:53 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: lonevoice; sweetliberty; Budge; RusynMama
THIS ARTICLE WAS NOT VERY WELL WRITTEN; that's the problem, not us. We need a different article to know for sure what is going on.

In the meantime, I need to get to bed, it's almost 2:00 a.m. here.

Ping me with any insights.

See you all tomorrow.
34 posted on 11/20/2003 10:46:43 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; ChemistCat
Goodnight ladies. See y'all tomorrow.
35 posted on 11/20/2003 10:48:27 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: nicmarlo
>>THIS ARTICLE WAS NOT VERY WELL WRITTEN; that's the problem, not us.

That's my rule of thumb. If it's English and I can't understand it, it's hash. I'm going to prowl around for a better report.
36 posted on 11/20/2003 11:07:17 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: babygene
Keep the pressure on . . . Terri's very life depends on it.
37 posted on 11/20/2003 11:10:16 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Graymatter
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGAXS5DP9ND.html

Schiavo Case Judge Refuses To Step Down
By STEPHEN THOMPSON spthompson@tampatrib.com
Published: Nov 21, 2003

CLEARWATER - Circuit Judge Douglas Baird on Thursday refused to step down as requested by Gov. Jeb Bush in the court battle over ``Terri's Law,'' which Bush signed to order a feeding tube reinserted into the abdomen of Terri Schiavo.
In court filings Wednesday, Bush asked Baird to disqualify himself after Baird made remarks at a hearing Friday that the law intruded on Schiavo's privacy rights and was ``presumptively unconstitutional.''

That is the argument advanced by Schiavo's husband, Michael, who is challenging Bush and the law in a case over which Baird presides...
On Wednesday, Bush's attorney in the case, Kenneth Connor, comparing Baird to a character from ``Alice In Wonderland,'' accused the judge of making a determination on the constitutionality of Terri's Law before the governor had made his case.

Baird, in a tersely worded response Thursday, said that although he didn't contest the facts recounted in Connor's motion to disqualify him, it didn't reach the legal threshold that would require him to recuse himself.

A spokeswoman from the governor's office said Bush's attorneys will assess Baird's response and respond.

George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, said he had planned on submitting a pleading arguing that Baird should not recuse himself. But Baird beat him to the punch.

Meanwhile, a different Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge issued a ruling in another legal battle centering on Terri Schiavo - this one started by her parents, who want their son- in-law removed as guardian.

Circuit Judge Crockett Farnell said Bob and Mary Schindler could not depose a Manatee County physician today, as the couple had planned, after Michael Schiavo argued they were just trying to revisit medical issues that have been resolved.

A third judge, George Greer, would normally be presiding over this battle, but the Schindlers have asked that he disqualify himself. Because he has not responded to that request, Farnell stepped in.



38 posted on 11/20/2003 11:13:32 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: sweetliberty; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; ...
Attorneys for Michael, including assisted suicide advocate George Felos and the ACLU, filed a motion to stay all discovery of new information in the Schindler v. Schiavo lawsuit. They claimed allowing discovery to proceed would prevent Michael's access to the courts.

Can anybody explain what this means. I have to admit that I am slightly confused by the line "They claimed allowing discovery to proceed would prevent Michael's access to the courts."

39 posted on 11/20/2003 11:25:50 PM PST by trussell (Prayer Works!!)
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To: trussell
Can anybody explain what this means. I have to admit that I am slightly confused by the line "They claimed allowing discovery to proceed would prevent Michael's access to the courts."

"Access to the courts" == "ability to flim flam judges into yielding desired results".

40 posted on 11/20/2003 11:31:55 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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