Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack

News Max.Com ^ | 11-21-03

[Mr. Mojo]

All you good American citizens go run right out and register your guns. The military government will need to know who's got what the night they take over.

Merely having a CCW permit is tantamount to having one's guns registered (in most states that issue them).

[Jeff Head]

If you don't believe in the preservation of the Constitution...then you can take Sam Adams advise.

There are millions of us out here who will go down persoinally before that document is shredded. it, and the underlying principles that bear it up are what make us free and lends meaning to that free life.

Discarding it, forgetting it is to invite unimaginably worse conditions.

In WW II we were shocked back into reality and awakened. We can be again. But only so long as we remain free and do not discard the unalienable rights and the moral underpinning to them.

So...discard it if you will...but at your and all of our peril. I shall not.

[Rebelbase]

"I will say this, any officer, any member of the armed service, any government employee or any politician who would advocate this and move in support of it has violated their oath to uphold, defend and bear true allegiance to that very constitution and marked themselves as an enemy of the people."

That being the case, IMO, the changes would be masked in the form of extended martial law. The latter stages of which would be the weeding out of pro-constitution officers. Of course it would have to all originate with the President. If he was a Clinton type, then kiss the Constitution goodbye.

If he were a Bush type, I think civil, Constitutional law would eventually be restored.

[TSgt]

Cute.

Let me paint you a clearer picture. (Your city here) gets nuked, dirty bombed or bio-attacked to a scale where 10's of thousands die. People panic, the economy collapses, there are runs on banks and stores and general lawlessness breaks out because law enforcement is too busy looking for terrorists.

We used to be a resilient society however we are no longer.

Men will run and hide in the face of terror rather than confront it.

Everyone will want something to be done but nobody will want "my father/son" to go to war.

Examples of this behavior are all around you. Open your eyes.

[Cautor]

you mean because people buy bread and milk before a snowstorm comes, that means we will decend into anarchy after a WMD attack?

It means that when there is no more bread and milk, there will be anarchy. Besides, when you have no job, you won't have the money to buy the milk and bread anyway. And forget your credit cards and cash, they won't be worth the paper/plastic they're printed on. Suggest you and millions more start to think rationally about what we're looking at right now if/when the big one goes off.

[cantfindagoodscreenname]

Here's hoping you know this more than I....I owe here an apology.

I don't know how you could have taken it any other way. What did you think the poster meant other than that he/she perceives him as a hero now? I have to admit that your response confused me. I assumed *you* didn't like Bush.

[jwalsh07]

Try explaining that to the people seeing news footage of a mushroom cloud over an American city on every TV station. The banks would have to be shut down to keep people from yanking out all their money and crashing the system. Grocery stores would have their shelves stripped in short order. Untold numbers of people will flee the larger cities for fear of another imminent nuclear bombing. Freeways in major population centers will be clogged with traffic jams worse than even the worst rush hour in LA.

Sounds like northern South Carolina with a two inch "snowstorm".

[Orangedog]

How did Japan survive the destruction of Hiroshima? Sure, they were an imperial society at the time, but they are a democracy now. The whole country didn't fall apart.

I know that it isn't a perfect comparison, given that we were at war and they were a defeated society, but their civil life didn't end because of the bomb.

They also didn't have CNN, FNC, MSNBC, etc showing them live footage of the mushroom cloud over Hiroshima and the damage that was done.

And their whole country did fall apart. They were just lucky that we were the ones rebuilding it and not the Russians.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

I sincerely hope it does not take a WMD attack. This is something I've "known" since before I became an adult in the late 1950s. It should have happened in 1971.

Every two-hundred-year-old nation is entitled to at least one patriot-dictator. I'd rather lose the Constitution temporarily than permanently. Today is so much like the media/political quagmire of the 1960s and 1970s it's sure to bring about the same result: win the battles over there, lose the war here.

The culture war is a war within a war. Both wars must be won for the United States of America to survive -- to take on and defeat Red China's aggression. Then a 1000 years of peace?

[GWfan]

Because we will do the same things we did in the emergency situations of WWI, WWII, and after the 1929 crash. We will pick up the pieces just like we do after every natural disaster. We will band together and get through whatever is in store for us. We are Americans, and Americans have a tough spirit and much resolve.

I feel sorry for you. You spend your time worrying and they have already beat you.

[Cautor]

Don't put words in my mouth. I like the Constitution just the way it was written, and I'm a proud patriot. Even so, a WMD attack will change everything. Look at the world-wide stock markets today and a few days ago when the first Turkish bombings took place. They dipped. But a real WMD attack will crash them, ergo, no economic activity, no pay, no way to get the things we all take for granted every day. People will totally panic and the military will have to step in to prevent total chaos. You can stick your head in the sand if you want to believe it won't happen.

[Qwinn]

"In WW II we were shocked back into reality and awakened."

IMHO, that's when we went to sleep, and we still haven't woken up. That's when the Left took control.

Qwinn

[txhurl]

Military men don't typically publicly entertain such thoughts unless they're quite sure it's possible or probable.

I think he's trying to warn us, and this scares me.

[TSgt]

"...she would be made dictator for life."

Thanks buddy...now I'm going to have nightmares tonight!

;)

[Rebelbase]

" People panic, the economy collapses, there are runs on banks and stores and general lawlessness breaks out because law enforcement is too busy looking for terrorists."

And cats and dogs will live together too! :-)

[Jeff Head]

You are wrong because you are somehow projecting your own immediate concerns and how you would react to them onto the rest of us.

The ahses of the paper constitutin mean nothing...they live in principle within our heart and souls and million and millions have taken sacred oaths to bear true faith and allegiance to them...serious oaths that were not taken blindly and that will be honored.

Those commitments will not die with a WMD and they and that piece of paper you speak so blandly about mean more than life itself.

Study up on the history of this nation and the people who founded it and risked all to bring it about. Nathan Hale, John Paul Jones, John Warren, Samual Adams, John Adams...and the list extends to today.

Just what the hell do you think, "Give me liberty or give me daeth." meant? Or, "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country.".

Those weren't just quaint metaphors or abstractions when they were uttered over 200 years agio...and they are not today.

There are hundreds dieing NOW to lend meaning to them and I will not roll over just because the enemy hits one home run.

Listen to yourselves for Christs's sake. This is exactly what the enemy would hope for in their wildest dreams...a destruction of everything that makes this nation what it is.

Clearly, the times would be horrific. but that does not mean we discard the very fabric of our consciencness or our underlying foundational frame work.

no...you are dead wrong. The constitution will not be forgotten or cast aside. If you will, then sir, speak for yourself alone...you do not speak for me or mine.

[Momaw Nadon]

It should have happened in 1971.

Forgive my ignorance.

Why is 1971 significant?

[k2blader]

Men will run and hide in the face of terror rather than confront it.

With an attitude like that, why not just throw in the towel now?

I believe our nation is stronger than the surface shows.

[MediaMole]

Franks sounds like he expects the people to demand security from the politicians who will comply by setting up a police state.

Which goes back to Franklin's quote, "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."