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Christian medical students want anti-evolution lectures
Aftenposten (Norway News) ^ | 19 Nov 2003 | Jonathan Tisdall

Posted on 11/19/2003 10:15:28 AM PST by yonif

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To: Ichneumon
The way the term is used, as in Religion versus Science.

Evolution is a religion, as it is a belief system, lacking scientific backing.
101 posted on 11/19/2003 6:10:33 PM PST by observer5
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To: Junior
Some chimps top 150 lbs, putting them at human size.

Good lord, they never were that big on Daktari!!!

102 posted on 11/19/2003 6:14:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: observer5
Evolution is a religion, as it is a belief system, lacking scientific backing.

The science could conceivably be incorrect, but your statement is utterly absurd.

103 posted on 11/19/2003 6:18:18 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: jwalsh07
Good idea.
104 posted on 11/19/2003 6:24:18 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: Dog Gone
They use nothing but baby chimps on TV. The adults aren't so easygoing, cute, or trainable.
105 posted on 11/19/2003 6:30:47 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Oook, oook!
106 posted on 11/19/2003 6:35:09 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Abe Froman
Evolution attempts to explain origins by stipulating a method by which the extravaganza of life on earth could come into being without a need for a supernatural act of a Creator.

Evolution attempts to explain speciation.That is what is taught in Biology 101. Discussion of the Big Bang and other epistomological ideas are better left to the physicists.

107 posted on 11/19/2003 6:36:54 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Oook, oook!

Still bitter over losing the gig with Dave Garroway back in the fifties, aren't you?


108 posted on 11/19/2003 6:44:12 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I coulda been a contender.
109 posted on 11/19/2003 6:45:20 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: VadeRetro
I won a J.Fred Muggs stuffed toy in a sixth grade contest, selling magazine subscriptions. I suppose they expected a girl to win. In a way they were right, because my sister aquired the chimp somewhere along the way.
110 posted on 11/19/2003 6:48:40 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
I won a J.Fred Muggs stuffed toy in a sixth grade contest, selling magazine subscriptions.

My condolences upon being so old. ;)

111 posted on 11/19/2003 6:54:13 PM PST by VadeRetro (I won a live duck in the first grade.)
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To: VadeRetro
But I still have all my body parts intact. Phffffft!
112 posted on 11/19/2003 6:56:37 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
I won a J.Fred Muggs stuffed toy in a sixth grade contest, selling magazine subscriptions. I suppose they expected a girl to win. In a way they were right, because my sister aquired the chimp somewhere along the way.

I won a puppy in a parish raffle when I was (4? 5? a loooong time ago). But we had already left the fair when they held the raffle, and when they called our house to let us know, my older sister answered, was dubious, and refused the prize! I'm still mad at her.

113 posted on 11/19/2003 7:09:26 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Abe Froman; spunkets
"Take the condition of sickle cell anemia."

You're using a genetic mutation that has negative consequences as an example to bolster an argument of evolution? Evolution by natural selection requires BENEFICIAL mutations. Find a clear case of actual genetic mutation (not the emergence or suppression of pre-existing genetic traits) that has a beneficial effect.

My favorite example of a beneficial mutation nowadays is the Apo-AI Milano mutation. This is found in a few people in a village outside of Milano, Italy. These people make a super-HDL cholesterol which scrubs their arteries free of plaques even when they have high cholesterol numbers. A synthesized form of this new, improved HDL recently went thru Stage II tests and stunned everybody. You can find links to news items regarding it here.

Another beneficial mutation (for which I am personally thankful) is lactose tolerance. Everybody assumes that lactose intolerance is the mutation, but the evidence strongly points to lactose intolerance being our default condition, and lactose tolerance being the more recent mutation.

114 posted on 11/19/2003 7:24:19 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: VadeRetro
J. Fred Muggs Memorial placemarker
115 posted on 11/19/2003 7:31:56 PM PST by longshadow
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To: job
On a macro scale, it absolutley is dependant on abiogenesis.

Utterly false. Consider hat would happen if modified Earth life were introduced on Mars. It would evolve, yet would not be derived from abiogenesis.

Or consider th 'panspermia' hyothesis, that life from outer space seeded the Earth. Evolution still happened.

Or consider if some diety or demon or whatever simply willed life on Earth into existence. We know, from the fossil record, that this was in the form of bacteria. Evolution, of course, would still happen.

In fact, as long as you have imperfect replication and differential reproduction, evolution is inevitable.

116 posted on 11/19/2003 7:37:44 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: jwalsh07
"Christian Doctors Need Not Revive".

What's Christian have to do with it? AFAIK, there are more Muslim creationists than those of any other faith (teaching evo is illegal in Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.). The objection isn't to Christians, it's to creaetionists. *Big* difference.

117 posted on 11/19/2003 7:41:44 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: stanz
This group is making 3 specific claims. If science is against them it should be easy to shoot them down.

1 According to the theory of evolution a mutation must be immediately beneficial to survive through selection. But many phenomena explained by evolution (for example the eye) involve so many, small immediately detrimental mutations that only give a long-term beneficial effect.
2 There is no fossil evidence to indicate transitional forms between, for example, fish and land animals or apes and humans.
3 Evolution assumes too many extremely improbably events occurring over too short a span of time.

If the Dean had a backbone he'd say let there be debate. Actually I like and agree with his claim that "evolution had a rather minor spot in medical education."

118 posted on 11/19/2003 7:53:33 PM PST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: Junior
A Seventh Day Adventist surgeon experimented with putting a baboon heart in a patient a few years back (you might remember this). The patient died. He chose the baboon instead of something evolutionarily closer to a human being (such as a chimpanzee) because he didn't "believe in evolution" and therefore didn't accept that some animals were closer to humans than others.

A choice of animals as a source of transplant organs does not, necessarily, depend on evolutionery proximity. A pig, for example, has been a frequent organ donor.
119 posted on 11/19/2003 8:04:34 PM PST by bluejay
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To: Tribune7
According to the theory of evolution a mutation must be immediately beneficial to survive through selection.

Evolutionary theory proposes no such thing. Perhaps people decline to debate with people who continually misstate what evolutionary theory actually proposes. Creationists often do not have the courtesy to state evolutionary theory correctly.

120 posted on 11/19/2003 8:32:25 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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