Posted on 11/17/2003 3:49:57 PM PST by hobson
Retired generals - Hugh Shelton: "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."
Norman Schwarzkopf "I think the greatest condemnation against him . . . came from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when he was a NATO commander. I mean, he was fired as a NATO commander," Schwarzkopf replied, "and when Hugh Shelton said he was fired because of matters of character and integrity, that is a very, very damning statement, which says, `If that's the case, he's not the right man for president,' as far as I'm concerned."
Tommy Franks - recently joined the criticism of Clark. Schwarzkopf cited Shelton's comments about Clark's integrity as the main reason he doesn't think Clark would be well-suited to be president.
Retired Army Lt. Gen. Marc Cisneros recalls hearing that Clark was competing against him in 1996 for a four-star position heading the U.S. Southern Command, a job for which the Army was backing Cisneros. Cisneros says Clark "just outright lied" when confronted, and denied to Cisneros that he was seeking the job, which did go to Clark. "I worry about his ethical standards regarding honesty and forthrightness," Cisneros said.
"I find him to be a guy who's very clever at determining which way the wind's blowing," said Gen. Paul Funk, who was General Clark's boss in the early 1990's. "Who knows, maybe in the political world that's a good thing."
"I'm not going to start the third world war for you," General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international K-For peacekeeping force.
One retired four-star general, who knows Clark well and represents a sentiment expressed by a number of his peers, said he fully understood Clark's ultimate clash with Cohen, Shelton and, particularly, the leadership of the Army. "The guy is brilliant," said the general, who agreed to speak candidly about Clark only if his name were not used. "He's very articulate, he's extremely charming, he has the best strategic sense of anybody I have ever met. But the simple fact is, a lot of people just don't trust his ability" as a commander. While his strategic analysis is "almost infallible," his command solutions tended to be problematic, even "goofy," the general said, "and he pushed them even when they weren't going to work." The general said Clark "needs to win, right down to the core of his fiber," which tends to make him "highly manipulative."
"There are an awful lot of people," added another retired four-star, who also requested anonymity, "who believe Wes will tell anybody what they want to hear and tell somebody the exact opposite five minutes later. The people who have worked closely with him are the least complimentary, because he can be very abrasive, very domineering. And part of what you saw when he was relieved of command was all of the broken glass and broken china within the European alliance and the [U.S.] European Command."
Even Clark's vaunted fourth star as a general was unearned, according to Robert Novak. It was twice rejected as undeserved by Pentagon brass, but then was awarded by his patron Bill Clinton after Clark begged the President for it. "Clark," wrote Novak, "is the perfect model of a 1990s political four-star general."
"John McCain was also trashed. POW in Alabama trashed. So do you apply the word trash to those in Iraq & Afghanistan and all around the world now. Support the troops - oh yeah - when? When we can all wave our flags and have nice little parades but none of them are good enough to run for office. When Colin Powell thought about running, he was trashed too. "
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First off..no offense intended...but I think you missed my point. Also I believe it was you who first used the word "trash".
Secondly, my statement stands. If you think that because someone has served in the military..that that makes them immune to being questioned and scrutinized...then I think you are incorrect.
John McCain has said and done some very questionable things. And fit's the RINO characterization very well too much of the time, IMO. And Wesley Clark is by many accounts an idiot. That doesn't mean that I don't respect their service to our country.
Thirdly...maybe I wasn't too clear. I hope I've been clearer in this post.
Fwiw-
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