Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18

Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

[floriduh voter]

This maybe is a possibility... Maybe he attacked Terri from behind which is why she was lying face down.

As per Larry King Live "her trachea wasn't carushed." MS (he said carushed like a spooky guy). From behind, her trachea would not have been carushed.

Setting that aside, Terri has been NEGLECTED AND ABUSED FOR YEARS while the only goal has been to kill her. Why rehab someone who hubby, Greer, et al, and Felos want to kill anyway?

[daylate-dollarshort]

Public record and published articles- many of which have bee posted on these threads.

[daylate-dollarshort]

"Personal attacks like these are flagrant violations of forum rules, as I pointedly warned you the last time. You are on report for abuse". I made no personal attack.

You cited a datum from, quote, "the Cardiac Institute".

I referred to the Cardiac Institute as it is sometimes referred to here in the local area. It is formally, and I agree correctly, is the "Heart Institute" which is part and parcel of Humana Nothside Hospital. I have personally been to and been evaluated at Northside Hospital by their cardiologists.

The information I cited was factual. One of the pieces of data that I posted was the fact that Terri's serum potassium level was less than 2.7mEq/L. I was being conservative. Her serum potasium level was in fact reported to be 2.0 mEq/L.

[T'wit]

>> I made no personal attack.

The person writing in your name made several.

>> I referred to the Cardiac Institute as it is sometimes referred to here in the local area.

The "Cardiac Institute" is a stuffy, formal title, capital letters and all. I greatly doubt that the locals do call it that.

Thank you for your belated correction, but others here had already pointed out that your information was incorrect and that in fact, Terri was taken to Humana Northside Hospital, not some "Cardiac Institute."

>> The information I cited was factual.

Sure. Show us the rest of her medical reports. No medical evaluation is possible with one disconnected scrap.

[T'wit]

All you have to do is stop the blood flow in the carotid arteries for a few minutes. It wouldn't necessarily leave marks.

Things are not always explained in the simplest, most plausible way, but that's where you look first, right?

Terri was unhappy and told friends she wanted a divorce. The bone scan revealed that she very likely had been badly beaten, and friends did notice unusual bruising. She and Michael had a fight that fateful day -- confirmed by people on both sides. It was so severe that a friend urged her not even to go home. Sometime late at night, Michael came home from his restaurant job and started in again about her spending too much money having her hair done. It was then that she "collapsed" from a potassium deficiency so rare that it's hardly in the medical literature. He then "finds" her lying face down and unconscious, but does not try CPR nor call 911. When the police finally do arrive, he lies to them, saying they had not had any recent troubles or fights.

Doesn't exactly tax one's intelligence, does it?

[daylate-dollarshort]

"...but others here had already pointed out that your information was incorrect and that in fact, Terri was taken to Humana Northside Hospital, not some 'Cardiac Institute'."

I guess you didn't understand. Humana Northside Hospital and Northside Hospital and Heart Institute are one and the same.

A very simple search would reveal that there are 16 Hospitals in St. Petersburg, Florida. Without going through the needless process to list them here, there is one, and only one Northside Hospital. It is correctly named the Northside Hospital and Heart Institute. It is only one of the multitude of hospitals in the Humana system nationwide.

As to your sanctimonious statement "[t]he "Cardiac Institute" is a stuffy, formal title, capital letters and all. I greatly doubt that the locals do call it that", I frankly don't give a fig what you think. I live in the area- you do not. I have been a patient at the hospital- you have not. Unless you have personal knowlege you might think about keeping your great doubts to yourself.

As to the hospital report- a link to it has already been posted on these threads. I think you might find it very interesting, if you know what you're reading. Also look at the police report, a link to it has also been posted.

You have repeatedly whined that I and others have made "abusive posts" to you. I have not. Notwithstanding that, why on earth do you insist upon responding to my posts? Who's abusing whom??

[daylate-dollarshort]

"What could cause this?

Really very simple. Low potassium may impair glucose metabolism and lead to elevated blood sugar. Terri Schiavo's serum potassium level was 2.0mEq/L. A serum potassium level of anything less than 3.5mEq/L would be considered low. At 2.7mEq/L the serum potassium level would be considered serious and 2.0mEq/L....well, worse than serious.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Why did YOU call it the "Cardiac Institute" if that is not its formal name? Puffery.

[HiTech RedNeck]

P.S. If you were using it as a generic term it would be "cardiac institute" (lower case). It's notable that people who capitalize generic terms in the Terri threads (such as "Florida Law" almost always seem to be stuffing and puffing against Terri. Those who do not capitalize such terms are pro-Terri.

[T'wit]

> why on earth do you insist upon responding to my posts?

I do not. I was just wondering why you'd post misinformation to me deliberately emphasized with capital letters, italics and boldface type. I need no further explanation.

[atruelady]

I read about Greer and Anderson. That was awesome! I am glad she said something to him like that! Now, it is part of the record. The only reason he got upset was because he is under a microscope and I know that we fellow FReepers are FReeping him regularly.

Go Pam! Go Bush!

Carla
Bradenton, FL

[thylasign]

wow- thanks all, i didnt receive any emails so i assumed that the message was deleted.
well, i would like to know what you all think of this subject, a 30 year old man who had cancer(three times!) and beat it - he took apricot seeds and apparently he believes that the seeds cured him.
he sells and promotes the seeds, as well as an apricot seed extract, "laetrile", legal in Arizona and used as a cancer therapy in Mexico and Germany.
FDA has dealings with him- in the first time he is hauled to court, Jason signs an agreement (contract) basically a cease and desist. HIS LEGAL COUNSEL AT THE TIME ASSURED HIM THAT SINCE THE COURT ORDER ONLY PROHIBITS JASON FROM SELLING THE PRODUCTS AND CLAIMS OF HEALTH BENEFITS, HE MAY CONTINUE LEGALLY IF HE ONLY DOES ONE OR THE OTHER ACTIVITY.
so guess what thats what he does. FDA then, some time later, nails him with undercover bust.
The business address is a post office box in Arizona, which may or may not be skirting the law, but guaranteed, there are plenty of businesses in the mail order industry using post office boxes.
Jason is convicted of three counts of criminal contempt in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 401(3)but you can read that for yourself here in the FDA announcment
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00927.html
and here is part of a letter i received, stating that the judge, John Gleeson, has recommended 30 years for that 3 counts of criminal comtempt of court.
i have not asked permission, but here is a portion:

"The Judge has sent Jason a presentencing report requesting 30 years in prison!"

that's a long time.now what gets me is the apparent ambiguous legal status of laetrile, as 'extract' or 'new drug'? the term itself refers to a mix of 2 or three natural chemicals that are present in apricot seed extract.
if 'laetrile' is SO ILLEGAL-why oh why didnt FDA sic the cops on him, bust down his door and 'confiscate' all that contraband?
Judge Gleeson is a promoter of the sentencing guidelines, which promote uniformity in all US court sentencings, according to the crime committed. thus a conviction for drug dealing gets a certain amount of jail time according to the guidelines.
notice tho that the 'drug' aspect is not metioned in the conviction- jason is convicted of 'criminal contempt of court' (violating the cease and desist contract he signed im sure it was voluntarily, in the previous case),only. not of possesing 'laetrile'.
if 'contempt of court' is such a crime, you may as well lock me up (i bet there are a lot of people who woudl like to see that happen ;) )because i am starting to develop quite a case of it.How many street drug pushers are given 30 years- now there is a drug proven dangerous to health. how many people have been killed and how many families ripped apart by street drugs?Jason is 30 and will be 60 years old by the time he gets out.
why did jason's legal counsel imply that the apricot seed/laetrile home business coudl continue if he only dissociate the product line from his promotion of the health benefits? looks like entrapment to me.
Judge Gleeson sentences Jason Vale on December 19. thats not so far away. i feel for that family. that is why i mention this- not to take away from the Terri thread, but the people here have done an excellent job of pulling up possible connections between a judge, lawyer, and (suprise) a health care organization.
it has been pondered that Judge Gleeson may have similar connections, to (and this is pure speculation)pharmaceutical, medical, or WHOever would not want apricot seeds/laetrile promoted as a cancer therapy.
i dont think that is it, i speculate that it lies with the FDA itself, or a link between FDA and some unknown interest. it looks like a favor to me.
here is that FDA sentencing link again. and here is a list of the people proud enough to put their names on it.
so without taking anything more away from Terri's thread- how do i start a new one on the Jason Vale case? email me
if you wish at thylasign@aol.com and i am only occasionally at a computer.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00927.html


Peggy Long, U.S. Attorney's Office

Jason Brodsky, FDA Office of Public Affairs

ROSLYNN R. MAUSKOPF , United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York

MARK B. McCLELLAN , M.D., Ph.D., Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA),

United States District Court Judge John Gleeson in Brooklyn

Assistant United States Attorneys Charles S. Kleinberg and Patricia Pileggi. Marc L. Caden, Associate Chief Counsel to for Enforcement, is assigned to the case from the FDA.

[thylasign]

Thank you for your tolerance on my previous posts about the Jason Vale case, an unrelated topic.
ihave since made a 'new thread' on it- so i have pulled it off the Terri thread!
Altho i am new to this odd forum, i KNOW i made a separate thread, since i have already got a comment from the moderator.(good news since i know it 'went through'!)
Its at http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1032692/posts
if a couple of you wish to visit- and im getting hammered!
Also thank you for the excellent detective work on 'connections' on the Judge/attorney/hospice etc for Terri who cannot speak for herself.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW CLOSE ANY OF US OR OUR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE TO TERRI'S SITUATION.('there but for the grace...')


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