Posted on 11/06/2003 7:31:54 PM PST by republicanwizard
We have only your say-so and one sentence in a speech to support that. A matter so important to him that he left the matter to the end, after matters affecting the post office.
Like I've said all along, Davis failed to abide by the confederate constitution aided and abetted by the confederate congress. Where have you been? Yet contempt of constitution seems to be a point of pride for supporters of the Davis regime.
I've already demonstrated the falsehood in that, non-seq. There are at least 8 other documents about the confederate judicary between 1861 and August 1864 in Davis' writings.
"In obedience to the Constitutional provision requiring the President from time to time to give to the Congress information of the State of the Confederacy, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient, I have to communicate that since my message at the last session of the Provisional Congress, events have demonstrated that the Government had attempted more than it had power successfully to achieve.
Hence, in the effort to protect by our arms the whole of the territory of the Confederate States, Sea-board and inland, we have been so exposed as recently to encounter serious disasters. When the Confederacy was formed, the States composing it were, by the peculiar character of their pursuits and a misplaced confidence in their former associates, to a great extent destitute of the means for the prosecution of the war on so gigantic a scale as that which it has attained. The workshops and artisans were mainly to be found in the Northern States, and one of the first duties which devolved upon this Government was to establish the necessary manufactories, and in the meantime, to obtain by purchase from abroad, as far as practicable whatever was required for the public defence. No effort has been spared to effect both these ends, and though the results have not equalled our hopes, it is believed that an impartial judgment will, upon full investigation, award to the various departments of the Government credit for having done all which human power and foresight enabled them to accomplish. The valor and devotion of the people have not only sustained the efforts of the Government, but have gone far to supply its deficiencies.
The active state of military preparation among the nations of Europe in April last, the date when our agents first went abroad, interposed unavoidable delays in the procurement of arms, and the want of a navy has greatly impeded our efforts to import military supplies of all sorts.
I have hoped for several days to receive official reports in relation to our discomfiture at Roanoke Island, and the fall of Fort Donelson. They have not yet reached me, and I am, therefore, unable to communicate to you such information of those events and the consequences resulting from them, as would enable me to make recommendations founded upon the changed condition which they have produced. Enough is known of the surrender at Roanoke Island to make us feel that it was deeply humiliating, however imperfect may have been the preparations for defence. The hope is still entertained that our reported losses at Fort Donelson have been greatly exaggerated, inasmuch as I am not only unwilling but unable to believe that a large army of our people have surrendered without a desperate effort to cut their way through investing forces, whatever may have been their numbers, and to endeavor to make a junction with other divisions of the Army. But in the absence, of that exact information which can only be afforded by official reports, it would be premature to pass judgment, and my own is reserved, as I trust yours will be, until that information is received. In the meantime, Strenuous efforts have been made to throw forward reenforcements to the Armies at the positions threatened, and I cannot doubt that the bitter disappointments we have borne, by nerving the people to still greater exertions, will speedily secure results more accordant with our just expectation, and as favorable to our cause as those which marked the earlier periods of the War.
The reports of the Secretaries of War and the Navy will exhibit the mass of resources for the conduct of the War which we have been enabled to accumulate notwithstanding the very serious difficulties against which we have contended.
They afford the cheering hope that our resources, limited as they were at the beginning of the contest, will, during its progress, become developed to such an extent as fully to meet our future wants.
The policy of enlistment for short terms against which I have steadily contended from the commencement of the war has, in my judgment, contributed in no immaterial degree to the recent reverses which we have suffered, and even now renders it difficult to furnish you an accurate statement of the Army. When the War first broke out many of our people could with difficulty be persuaded that it would be long or serious. It was not deemed possible that anything so insane as a persistent attempt to subjugate these States could be made- still less that the delusion would so far prevail as to give to the war the vast proportions which it has assumed. The people, incredulous of a long War, were naturally averse to long enlistments, and the early legislation of Congress rendered it impracticable to obtain Volunteers for a greater period than twelve months. Now that it has become probable that the war will be continued through a series of years, our high-spirited and gallant soldiers, while generally re-enlisting, are, from the fact of having entered the service for a short term, compelled in many instances to go home to make the necessary arrangements for their families during their prolonged absence.
The quotas of new regiments for the war, called for from the different States, are in rapid progress of organization. The whole body of new levies and re-enlisted men will probably be ready in the ranks within the next thirty days. But, in the meantime, it is exceedingly difficult to give an accurate statement of the number of our forces in the field. They may, in general terms, be stated at 400 regiments of infantry, with a proportionate force of Cavalry and artillery, the details of which will be shown by the report of the Secretary of War. I deem it proper to advert to the fact that the process of furloughs and re-enlistment in progress for the last month had so far disorganized and weakened our forces as to impair our ability for successful defence; but I heartily congratulate you that this evil, which I had foreseen and was powerless to prevent, may now be said to be /substantially/ at an end, and that we shall not again during the war be exposed to seeing our strength diminished by this fruitful cause of disaster -- short enlistments.
The people of the Confederate States being principally engaged in agricultural pursuits, were unprovided at the commencement of hostilities with ships, ship-yards, materials for shipbuilding, or skilled mechanics and seamen in sufficient numbers to make the prompt creation of a navy a practicable task even if the required appropriations had been made for the purpose. Notwithstanding our very limited resources, however, the report of the Secretary will exhibit to you a satisfactory progress in preparation, and a certainty of early completion of vessels of a number and class on which we may confidently rely for contesting the vaunted control of the enemy over our waters.
The financial system devised by the wisdom of your predecessors has proved adequate to supplying all the wants of the Government notwithstanding the unexpected and very large increase of expenditures resulting from the great augmentation in the necessary means of defence. The report of the Secretary of the Treasury will exhibit the gratifying fact that we have no floating debt; that the credit of the Government is unimpaired, and that the total expenditure of the Government for the year has been in round numbers one hundred and seventy millions of dollars; less than one-third of the sum wasted by the enemy in his vain effort to conquer us - less than the value of a single article of export--the cotton crop of the year.
The report of the Post Master General will show the condition of that department to be steadily improving - its revenues increasing, and already affording the assurance that it will be selfsustaining at the date required by the Constitution while affording ample mail facilities for the <-[illegible] of the-> people.
In the Department of Justice, which includes the Patent Office and Public Printing, some legislative provisions will be required, which will be specifically stated in the report of the head of that Department. I invite the attention of Congress to the duty of organizing a Supreme Court of the Confederate States; in accordance with the mandate of the Constitution.
I refer you to my message communicated to the Provisional Congress in November last for such further information touching the condition of public affairs as it might be useful to lay before you; the short interval which has since elapsed not having produced any material changes in that condition other than those to which reference has already been made.
In conclusion, I cordially welcome Representatives who, recently chosen by the people, are fully imbued with their views and feelings, and can so ably advise me as to the needful provisions for the public service. I assure you of my hearty cooperation in all your efforts for the common welfare of the country."
It's right there, third paragraph from the end, after post office and with all the appearance of being an afterthought.
No.
Sorry, Pea, but once again you've missed the boat entirely, no pun intended. Of course Fox was involved in Sumter and no, there was no logical conclusion in what GOP was babbling about.
despite what you think, it would have likely made NO DIFFERENCE, period. end of story.
free dixie,sw
"He was elected to the first Confederate States Senate on February 21, 1862. As a Senator, he successfully blocked the creation of a Confederate Supreme Court on states' rights grounds. "
From: Yancey
Are you off your meds, or are you just funnin' with us, pretending to be this dense? It's congresses job to create the court - not the Presidents. There is no way that Davis could have failed to abide by the Constitution on this issue. If congress passed a bill creating the court, Davis could a) veto it, b) refuse to sign [but it becomes law anyhow], or c) sign it. All three options are constitutionally delegated powers. Contempt of the Constitution would be when Davis pulled a Lincoln and did whatever the hell he wanted, claiming it was a military power, that he could trash the Constitution in order to save it.
Taney was from Maryland, not a Confederate state. He served in the Maryland state congress. He was (1831) Attorney General and later (1833) Secretary of the Treasury, to President Andrew Jackson,
Taney had been a slave owner, but after his election to the Maryland state senate in 1816 he began to manumit his slaves (free them, not sell them.)
James Wayne of Georgia, John Catron of Tennessee, Peter V. Daniel of Virginia, and John A. Campbell of Alabama were all Justices of the United States Supreme Court.
Perhaps they could have recruited Justice Robert Cooper Grier of Pennsylvania or Justice Samuel Nelson of New York
Hello? Congress repeatedly considered it in 1862, 1863, and 1864. I found over 40 references to "Supreme Court" in the Journal of the Confederate Congress for this period. Most look something like the following:
Apr 10, 1862: A bill to organize the Supreme Court of the Confederate States; which was read the first and second times, referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and ordered to be printed.
Sept. 26, 1862: On motion by Mr. Hill, that the Senate proceed to the consideration of the bill (S. 19) to organize the Supreme Court of the Confederate States, It was determined in the affirmative, Yeas ... 10 Nays ... 8
Jan. 27, 1863: The Senate resumed, as in Committee of the Whole, the consideration of the bill (S. 3) to organize the Supreme Court of the Confederate States.
On motion by Mr. Orr, to amend the bill by striking out "three," in the fourth line of the first section, and inserting "fours," It was determined in the negative.
On motion by Mr. Orr, to reconsider the last-mentioned vote, [etc., etc., debate continued]
May 26, 1864: Mr. Russell, from the same committee [Judiciary, House], to whom had been referred a bill (H. R. 35) "to organize the Supreme Court of the Confederate States," reported back the same with the recommendation that it do not pass.
It would have brought the Davis regime into compliance with the constitution. A matter of no importance to you, I know, but some of us have respect for the rule of law.
And as president, Jefferson Davis stood by and did nothing to combat this blatant violation of the constiution. Obviously he had no problem with it.
And the confederacy never had diplomatic relations at all.
Without a supreme court to reign in his abuse of power, Davis did just that. Thousands of people jailed without trial, simply on the order of the habeas corpus commissioners; conscription; forced extension of enlistments; income tax; protective tariffs; government control of industry; government seizure of agricultural produce and shipping space without compensation. How much of that would have withstood the scrutiny of a supreme court? Not a lot. Yet every one of those was a policy implemented by the Davis regime. Why would he ever want to subject those to the scrutiny of a court that might tell him that he couldn't do it? Him. Jefferson Davis. The idea that there might be someone who would possibly say 'No' to his was insulting to him. So the idea that he would ever fight for the establishment of a supreme court is ridiculous.
ROTFLMAO! Like the US Supreme Court stopped Lincoln???? He wouldn't even obey a lawful decision of Chief Justice Taney.
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