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The Race According to George McGovern
NYTimes ^
| November 5, 2003
| DAVID E. ROSENBAUM
Posted on 11/05/2003 3:54:38 AM PST by RJCogburn
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McGovern was a horrible choice for President.
Of course, with Nixon we got OSHA, EPA, Title IX, OEO, and the antithesis of a free society, wage and price controls.
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posted on
11/05/2003 3:54:38 AM PST
by
RJCogburn
To: RJCogburn
Exactly. Nixon was a dedicated socialist. And he didn't handle Vietnam very well, either. There's not much good to say about Nixon, except that McGovern would have been about a thousand times worse.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:00:57 AM PST
by
samtheman
To: RJCogburn
And to think,I voted, in my very first Presidential election, for George McGovern. I was so shattered he lost, I wore his campaign button for a year after. Ah, youth
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:14:09 AM PST
by
PaulJ
To: RJCogburn
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It seemed worthwhile to interview the two men, both retired from politics and in their 80's, to see what they thought of the current race."
Like the N.Y. Times, David E. Rosenbaum's idea of what is "worthwhile", and the general public's idea of what is "worthwhile", are separated by a difference of about the distance from the earth to the moon.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:18:08 AM PST
by
G.Mason
(Lessons of life need not be fatal)
To: RJCogburn
"I don't see that this war has any more to commend it than Vietnam did," he said". (McGovern)
...Nor does this crop of dem candidates have any more to commend them that McGovern did.
To: PaulJ
And we should listen to George McGovern on how to win an election because?
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:21:20 AM PST
by
Betteboop
To: RJCogburn
"If he's having second thoughts now, as he seems to be," Mr. McGovern said, "he should say straight out that he was deceived." Or, better yet, like Muskie of Maine he could say he was "brainwashed," then bawl like a baby.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:23:27 AM PST
by
laredo44
To: Betteboop
And we should listen to George McGovern on how to win an election because? I think it's more like how to win the nomination...and loose the election.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:24:03 AM PST
by
RJCogburn
("You have my thanks and, with certain reservations, my respect.".......Lawyer J. Noble Daggett)
To: laredo44
Or was that Romney of Michigan who got brainwashed? Muskie was definitely the weepy guy though.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:24:54 AM PST
by
laredo44
To: PaulJ
Buck up. In the intervening years, you have grasped reality, McGovern hasn't.
To: laredo44
Or, better yet, like Muskie of Maine he could say he was "brainwashed," then bawl like a baby. It was the Republican George Romney who was brainwashed and Muskie who wept in front of the Union Leader building, another victim of the weeding out we do here in NH.
No need to thank us up here..we already know.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:26:43 AM PST
by
RJCogburn
("You have my thanks and, with certain reservations, my respect.".......Lawyer J. Noble Daggett)
To: laredo44
Muskie was definitely the weepy guy though. Yes. Bill Loeb had written one of his to the point and not always nice front page editorials critical of Muskie's wife. He got up on a flat bed in front of the building to 'call him out'. His partisans claimed he didn't weep, but that snow flakes in his face made it appear so.
Who knows, but the weepy story is so much better and more believeable, imo.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:30:40 AM PST
by
RJCogburn
("You have my thanks and, with certain reservations, my respect.".......Lawyer J. Noble Daggett)
To: RJCogburn
Next year, he believes, Democratic voters will insist on a nominee who is outspoken against the war, just as they did then. And the Democrat candidate will lose just as decisively as McGovern did. They haven't learned a thing in 30 years.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:34:13 AM PST
by
randita
To: RJCogburn
McGovern was a horrible choice for President. Of course, with Nixon we got OSHA, EPA, Title IX, OEO, and the antithesis of a free society, wage and price controls.Nixon and McGovern were both socialist internationalists.
the elections of 1968 and 1972 were a civil war within the (then) Leftist ruling class.
In retrospect, their high-water mark in electoral politics was the mid-term elections of 1974. Their power with the people has been declining ever since.
And they're pretty angry about it.
To: RJCogburn
Eugene J. McCarthy, who is 87 . . . Is this the same McCarthy who was accusing people of being Communists back in the 1950s? Or a relative, perhaps?
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:39:46 AM PST
by
wai-ming
To: Jim Noble
I agree. 1972 was my first election, and I couldn't bring myself to vote for either candidate.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:40:08 AM PST
by
p. henry
To: RJCogburn
"If he's having second thoughts now, as he seems to be," Mr. McGovern said, "he should say straight out that he was deceived." In other words, "Vote for me -- I'm easily fooled!" (Not that I think the administration was lying, just that that's the logic of what McGovern is suggesting.)
As for the rest -- either Jackson or Humphrey would have been stronger candidates than McGovern -- in fact, of all the available candidates in 1972, McGovern was undoubtedly the worst choice, in terms of electability, and he went on to prove it in one of the most inept presidential campaigns in living memory.
That business about Wallace is eyewash. I don't believe he would have run as a third party candidate in 1972; he tried it in 1968, and it didn't work. But he was having significant success in the Democratic primaries, and might have had enough delegates to force the nominee to kiss his ring if he hadn't been shot. That would have been quite a spectacle.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:49:01 AM PST
by
Brandon
To: wai-ming
Not the same McCarthy -- that was Joe McCarthy, who was a senator from Wisconsin in the 50s. Eugene was from Minnesota. No relation, so far as I know, and their politics were light years apart.
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:50:07 AM PST
by
Brandon
To: RJCogburn
the blood of ten million Cambodians rests on his head...
and the misery of half a million vietnamese who suffered (and 50 thousand died) in "reeducation camps", and the half million who fled as refugees to other countries...
he also forced his teenaged daughter to have an abortion; she became a drug addict and killed herself as a result...
by their fruits you will know them...
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:50:35 AM PST
by
LadyDoc
(liberals only love politcially correct poor people.)
To: RJCogburn
McGovern is becoming senile if he thinks Weasley Clark is a good choice for the leader of the free world.
Prairie
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posted on
11/05/2003 4:54:52 AM PST
by
prairiebreeze
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